MxSimulator is changing for the worse

[nickuzick]

In my opinion this is all fucked because the game itself costs 40$. So you're telling me some people are willing to charge double that for a bike? ok mate that sounds fun.

Considering how much of a rare skill it is to be able to create something so detailed yet optimized I think it's 100% warranted.

[Wahlamt]

Considering how much of a rare skill it is to be able to create something so detailed yet optimized I think it's 100% warranted.

Out of curiosity, what does optimized mean in this situation? That people with powerful pc's can have 5 of them in rather decent quality, full 40 man gate etc?

[nickuzick]

By optimized I mean converting to a low enough poly to not crash everyone's games' and still look like the real thing.

[Wahlamt]

By optimized I mean converting to a low enough poly to not crash everyone's games' and still look like the real thing.

Well, during the SX stream season, my 980ti and 4690k was not enough to not time out on an already loaded track, while at max having 8 high poly models. Personally I think they are in the high of being optimized, but by optimizing you are compromising quality. Not saying it's a bad thing, it's sick for renders and screenshots! But for racing, I'd like to have seen a "low poly(that looks more or less the same in game )" version of it too. But it is as it is, I won't complain, as long as teams aren't forcing me to download 4k or 8k packs. Completely unnecessary for non teammates, or non-screenshot-purposes.

[02RR02]

I`ve donated to most of the people I think deserve it due to their work for the community, will donate more whenever I`m done with my studies.

I personally doesn`t care if people are charging money for their work, I don`t give a F about, for I will never buy it no matter what.

[GKSracing104]

Y'all are wild. I am more than willing to pay for a model as they are under priced if anything. The amount of time and effort that guys like Mason and Jay put into bike models is retarded, but the results are jaw dropping. They are generous enough to release their stuff for what I see as a fair price for the amount of personal time invested that could have easily gone towards something else. This thread is another one where the ungrateful bastards come out saying "gimme gimme" even though they don't deserve it. damn liberals. The creators don't owe you shit. Get up and teach yourself something, it might benefit you in the long run.

[TeamHavocRacing]

Get up and teach yourself something, it might benefit you in the long run.

How about the original attitude of doing it as an amateur 3rd party content creator for the benefit of the community and exposing your capabilities without the price gouging? The point is charging this price at this level. Bastardization of the original intent....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

[m121c]

How about the original attitude of doing it as an amateur 3rd party content creator for the benefit of the community and exposing your capabilities without the price gouging?

But why though? As someone who has completely lost interest helping this place out, I'm curious why people think creators should.

I respect your apology by the way, I understand what you were getting at, but I feel people are too quick to judge on people and situations they are not fully aware of. I do it too, as much as I try to see all views of things, it's just natural to be judgmental in an instant.

[MotoX745]

I bitched for the longest time when this first started happening, people charging for models and skins and such. Honestly, i think its going in a better direction, if creators even choose to sell the content for the simulator at least. This is just a never ending argument for kids that can't afford the prices of it (at least that's my assumption for it.). The other types seem to not realize how much work truly goes into modeling, and baking, and texturing and actually making a model look amazing, some of the creators here can do some truly amazing work with these models, i can only imagine if the game engine were updated such as more recent games have then it would be just that much better. Anyways, Its a win win situation, its as simple as you pay for the model if you feel its worth it, you get the model that you want, simple as that, same goes for skins. It's funny because other games such as counter strike sell skins, different texture and people pay thousands of dollars for some skins, a.k.a the dragon lore, or the medusa, the fire serpent, and all the damn knives basically, then you have others that aren't worth all that much. I suppose i understand the reasoning behind it, everyone profits out of it because you get whatever model, skin you want, and the person who actually put the hard work and time into it gets something back as well, this is why i don't have a problem paying for things on here, but this is just my opinion on it. I think its perfectly normal for people to charge for skins, and models and such as long as it wasn't half assed, and that a lot of time and effort has gone into making the model/skin of good quality.

[Cdod119]

Y'all are wild. I am more than willing to pay for a model as they are under priced if anything. The amount of time and effort that guys like Mason and Jay put into bike models is retarded, but the results are jaw dropping. They are generous enough to release their stuff for what I see as a fair price for the amount of personal time invested that could have easily gone towards something else. This thread is another one where the ungrateful bastards come out saying "gimme gimme" even though they don't deserve it. damn liberals. The creators don't owe you shit. Get up and teach yourself something, it might benefit you in the long run.

Layin down the truth

[TeamHavocRacing]

I'm biased since I came through the ages with the business model of pay for the program once. It's just a sign of the times that once the boundary is crossed, then there's no looking back unless the paying public mandates it. I think BF2 had the first add-on packs that you had to pay for. Now you have to pay over $100 bucks sometimes to get all of the content that everyone's playing on so you don't feel left out. Personally I think no single piece of content should ever be more than 20 bucks. If it's any good, you'll be well reimbursed for you time and work. Besides, I'm such a late adopter of most tech that it's cheap enough for me by the time I want to delve into it. Hope these $100 models are free someday!

[m121c]

Not from I, maybe from some other fool though.

I understand where you are coming from, but are you aware of our community? Even a $100 price tag didn't stop kids from sharing it around... It turns into a black market bargaining piece and a piece of meat between the TS servers. It's funny I was looking through my private media fire account where I just upload things to exchange between friends, or at least people I think are friends, and I have downloads anywhere from 20-200 for files that were ment for a small group of people.

I am fully aware my Honda is outrageously priced, I don't need you or anyone else to tell me that. If it wasn't for that price it would have never left my hard drive, but I figured if someone wanted it bad enough and would pay the price why not? They get what they want, I get a little kick back, everyone's happy right? I mean no one would be stupid enough to throw out $100 and then give it to their buddy right?

Well, I'll let you in on a bit of insider insight: they are. I have taken down multiple links of my Honda multiple times, each with downloads close to a 100 or better, I can assure you I didn't make fraction of that, in fact the list is small enough I could most likely name everyone who has legitimately purchased, and I'm terrible with names!

[m121c]

Posted before I was done.

I've been on both sides of the coin. I'm sure if you dug back into my history of posts you would find me somewhere along lines bitching about how all content should be open and free. Am I a hypocrite? Or at the time did I just not fully realize the other side of the coin until I finally turned that coin over? I guess that's for you to judge, but if you ask me it's my growing in understanding. At the time, I was apart of the group that just wanted stuff, all of it. I didn't want to buy stuff, I was like what 14 at the time? Even if I did, my parents would tell me dream on hooker and go on about their day.

So I got sick of it, and started making it on my own. Now 4-5 years down the rode, and I'm that person that young me couldn't understand.

Since it's hard to understand unless you've done it, we can put in terms of life. Would you do a favor for a friend? You seem like a nice guy, you probably would no problem the first time. What if that friend took you for granted after that? You going to help him/her a second time? Eh, again you're a nice guy right, you see the greater good. Well... they take you for granted again, seems they don't give a flying you know what about you or your help. So now... let me ask you, are you going to be willing to help this friend out again? More importantly, are still considering this person a good "friend"?

So again, I will ask you. Why in the world would anyone think about making anything for this community? Are starting to see where I am coming from?

[James_122]

dream on hooker

I've covered some hookers in dreams before. I totally get your point.

[mt212MX]

It's absolutely shameless. 100 bucks for a bike model? Fuck you! Unfortunately there's too many suckers that need to look cool so badly that they perpetuate the problem by buying them. Tragically hip. Plenty of great free content.

Back to what your saying, Masons Honda is well made but for $100. FUCK THAT! Anyone who bought his Honda is a sucker! That's 30 gallons of fuel for your dirt bike, well if gas is $3.29. Jays KTM is good as well but for $20 that's better than $100. I don't get why people charge so much for something that is used in a video game. I didn't pay $100 for a template I paid $0 for our teams outdoor bikes. Thanks yzmxer608! This community is becoming more corrupted each day! People make stuff cause you enjoy it not for money. I don't get why you charge for skins. Some people want to get a privateer bike for this game and people are charging $15 for a bike with no gear or wheels.