Is there a proven method to training AI?

[poidog808]

I put a great deal of effort into searching forums for a proven method to train the AI.

and so far this is what I have attempted.

placed the --learn in shortcut
Deleted line_expert file
2 clean laps per gate

the result:

Although the AI is able to ride around the track, they will not start when the gate drops, They seem to start when I hit timing gate "1".


any assistance will be greatly appreciated, thank you.

-poidog808

[poidog808]

I put a great deal of effort into searching forums for a proven method to train the AI.

and so far this is what I have attempted.

placed the --learn in shortcut
Deleted line_expert file
2 clean laps per gate

the result:

Although the AI is able to ride around the track, they will not start when the gate drops, They seem to start when I hit timing gate "1".


any assistance will be greatly appreciated, thank you.

-poidog808

More information that may help..lol

Track: Sunshine MX
Timing_gates (23=finish line | 0=first turn)
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
Trained with and without AI present. (what is recommended?)
Clean laps only (never falling or stopping) I restart alot...does this affect the outcome?

Again thanks for any help.

-poidog808

[die996]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

[KTM57]

The AI is really bad, they can't really handle tracks any more difficult than the stock tracks. They totally fail, even on Ridge Riders.

[Kawasakis]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

Some people think opposite I guess.. Take 03 for example.. Rolling the doubles, boner air over triples.. Just like reality I guess, right?

[die996]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

Some people think opposite I guess.. Take 03 for example.. Rolling the doubles, boner air over triples.. Just like reality I guess, right?

What do you mean by that?? I'm really bad, I have a hard time making clean laps even on the stock tracks... and I'm still like 15 seconds slower than the top guys

[poidog808]

The AI is really bad, they can't really handle tracks any more difficult than the stock tracks. They totally fail, even on Ridge Riders.

thanks for the response, I actually got them to start when the gate drops..(dont know how, they just started doing that)

I guess my questions are now.

1. Do I (--learn) ride with AI, or on my own, or does it make a difference.
2. Once completed lap1, normal lap. Do I quit and go back to (--nolearn) "normal" mode and let the AI progress on there own, or do I continue to train them?
3. For my "normal lap" timing_gate placement should I start with 23/starting gate and end with 23/starting gate? or is the current layout correct?
Timing_gates (23=finish line | 0=first turn)
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23

thanks for any help,

-podiog808

[KTM57]

Can't answer the first two, but your timing gates should be correct.

[poidog808]

Can't answer the first two, but your timing gates should be correct.

thanks KTM...my first track the timing gates were a bit off lol.

[jlv]

It they don't take off on the start you might have waited too long in the gate.

Once you have some lines in, add
--learn --practice --warp --nosound
to the command line args and set up a three lap race with one bot. Let it run for a while to decide which lines it likes. Sometimes running more than one bot will help, but that can slow things down since they get in each other's way.

The other important thing is to mark the gates that the AI shouldn't switch lines at. You don't want them to switch over jumps or whoops, so for those gates add 100000 to them and the bots will not switch there. Ideally you want them to switch in smooth straight areas, but you also want them to have at least one switching opportunity per straightaway. As an example, here are the Vegas SX gates. Pretty much only switches on corner entry.

firstlap:
0 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007 100008 9 100010 11 100012 100013 100014 15 100016 100017 100018 19 100020 100021 22 23 100024 100025 100026 100027 28 29 100030 100031 32 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007
normallap:
100008 9 100010 11 100012 100013 100014 15 100016 100017 100018 19 100020 100021 22 23 100024 100025 100026 100027 28 29 100030 100031 32 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007

[poidog808]

It they don't take off on the start you might have waited too long in the gate.

Once you have some lines in, add
--learn --practice --warp --nosound
to the command line args and set up a three lap race with one bot. Let it run for a while to decide which lines it likes. Sometimes running more than one bot will help, but that can slow things down since they get in each other's way.

The other important thing is to mark the gates that the AI shouldn't switch lines at. You don't want them to switch over jumps or whoops, so for those gates add 100000 to them and the bots will not switch there. Ideally you want them to switch in smooth straight areas, but you also want them to have at least one switching opportunity per straightaway. As an example, here are the Vegas SX gates. Pretty much only switches on corner entry.

firstlap:
0 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007 100008 9 100010 11 100012 100013 100014 15 100016 100017 100018 19 100020 100021 22 23 100024 100025 100026 100027 28 29 100030 100031 32 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007
normallap:
100008 9 100010 11 100012 100013 100014 15 100016 100017 100018 19 100020 100021 22 23 100024 100025 100026 100027 28 29 100030 100031 32 1 100002 100003 4 100005 6 100007

all I can say is wow, thank you so much.

[mx_526]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

This is a great example of how intimidating the mxsim community is. Dude forgot what people think of you, just get online and have fun.

[die996]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

This is a great example of how intimidating the mxsim community is. Dude forgot what people think of you, just get online and have fun.

I even get trolled just by saying what I think... let alone if they see me racing and falling to the ground every 2-3 jumps

[richy34]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

This is a great example of how intimidating the mxsim community is. Dude forgot what people think of you, just get online and have fun.

I even get trolled just by saying what I think... let alone if they see me racing and falling to the ground every 2-3 jumps

agree with mx526 so much u shouldnt be bothered about what people say just go out there and have fun bro i know some guys wil get mad becus u ride in the way but dont let that ruin the game for you. every 1 starts at the back of the pack.
i ride in 03 and 02 alot now i get last like every time but i just ride online to practice and i like to ride with more ppl on a track so yea.
also riding with faster ppl wil make u faster too watch their lines and stuff.
go out and spactate i also do that alot.

[mxkurt274]

I'd love to have a decent AI on this game since I don't play online 'cause I'm ashamed of my really poor level

Dude thats silly talk. I useto ride offline too, and i wasn't getting any better. Then i just started riding supercross without caring what anyone thought, and actually got alot faster at a faster rate! See you on 01-03!