2016 EMF Pro & Amateur KennyRacing World MXSGP

[maggett]

personally i like that idea so i can t-bone Seabolt more when he's lapping me

So you want a ban really bad, don't you?

"That momoent when you are in 62nd on Fermo and your mom pulls the internet cable out by mistake when you're on your best session yet and on your way to get into your first ever organized race"

feeling

MXGP, MX2, MX3 style class, like the MXSCentral days, then just ditch am's and have those 3 classes in the same time slot, will also give pro's more to time chill out in between their motos instead of having a 20 minute break which is more like a 5 minute break once you've went to the toilet and grabbed a drink.

There are a few things that struggles this, in my opinion. First off, you can't have a championship where you're guaranteed a class. If you're on the bobble, you'll (maybe) score points in 2 classes instead of actually having a legit season in one class, and get the points/position accordingly. Also the top pros could easily sandbag, by getting the 45th fastest average, then go onto dominate mx3 for fun. If riders would be few a certain day, you could also end up with a 5 man MX3 class, do you run it or skip it? With this you could also get some notoriously bad and slow riders mixed with the pros just ruining it for everyone.

Aside from that stuff, I really enjoyed MXSCentral's system when it was up and running. The 3 lap average (out of a race of 5 laps) was really great. You didn't have the hotlap heroes but actually riders that showed a bit of consistency. It was a pain in the ass from time to time for someone like me that was slow and crashed all over the place back then, but it was still fair.

even if you put the top 20 from Ams up to pro sure they might not run at the front but they probably wont be to in the way. a good laptime for pro on last weeks track was a 1:46 to a 1:50 up to top 20 in AMS it goes to a 1:54 and even after moving all those people up it allows the slower people who didn't get in and it still makes up a 30 man gate if they all show up

or even just make one class no pro or AMs and just make everyone who dosent get in go into the AMs race

The top 20 in ams should not run pro's. Perhaps the top 5-10 should, but there are some crazy stupid, inexperienced and bad riders in ams. Well in pros too every now and then. But one thing that mainly separates the pro's from ams is consistency. Most pros (I'm generalizing) can run a 30m even with very few crashes, not saying they will. While am's, especially further down in the field tends to crash very frequently, myself included. That's my main weakness.

But back to the point, if we were to split it up, we couldn't have prices or anything for am's or MX3, only 2 classes. Also I'm not sure if MX3 would have full gates, MX1 and MX2 sure would, but I'm uncertain of MX3.

We're still not sure how we're going to host races in 2017. We have different opinions in the admin crew of what we like, also if we'd switch systems, it would also need to be coded for the website, which isn't a 15 minute donut run.

All opinions and suggestions are appreciated, so we know what people want and what works.

i see what your saying with the AMs wouldnt be able to run consistent but a class has allways got to have the slower guys.

even if mx3/ 250 Ams and 450ams dosent have full gates it would only a be a race for people who didn't qualify would it matter if its not full if your main classes are?

[Wahlamt]

Thanks for the kind words, Ivan. Since I've been on a grand total of about 1.25 streams, I'll of course take all of the credit....

I hope to join any week that my schedule permits, or until Kris gets tired of irrelevant side-bar discussions, complaining about either not qualifying for AM's or qualifying for AM's and sucking, and horrid American pronunciations of [mostly] European names .

Just glad I'm not doing it alone, you and Nick saves me lol. Streaming for 2.5h without any close battles are tedious as I got to experience last year..

I see what your saying with the AMs wouldnt be able to run consistent but a class has allways got to have the slower guys.

even if mx3/ 250 Ams and 450ams dosent have full gates it would only a be a race for people who didn't qualify would it matter if its not full if your main classes are?

Sure a class always have the slower guys, but bringing in am's to the mix will make it unable for pro's (with a bit of bad luck) to advance any positions, as am's (myself included again) tend to not keep their lines and just do random uncontrolled moves. Also the gap will not be fast->slower, it'll be perfection->turtle if we add 20 am's to a pro race Personally I'm very fond of being able to complete a series in certainty that all my effort goes into one class where I at the end can feel proud over earning that position, not skipping back and forth. Most people will not see it as important as I do or be as happy and proud over their positions, but for me that's important, and perhaps a few others. (just expressed my feelings, most people will probably have another view of it)

[M@xTizZz]

To reply to this talk, i would say, the actual system is good, just need to move theses 2 amateur class an other day to give them a 2nd moto. (=> next year).
The actual problem is just the real lack of attendance by a lot of european & americans pro players. If you compare the results from last year EMF national and this year, you'll see a lot of name are missing. Some of them, euros, are not playing anymore but the majority of americans players are not racing this serie.
I know it's hard to learn 2 differents tracks in the same week but hey that's what we did in 2013 with GPs + AMA and there was full gate almost everytime.

I see 2 options :

- tracks are released too late, and a lot of guys can't play if there is only one day of qualifying.

- tracks are not good, that's why people are not playing on them.

Since we don't have a lot of bad critiscism on tracks, except maybe Losail & Leon, i guess (hope) it's the 1st option.
But if i understand good, we have to search in others thread to read bad critiscisms on GP tracks #Ruben!
Let us know what you guys think in this thread :=)
The next round will be released really soon to let you some time to play and qualify, we'll see if it's better.

[ROSE822]

To reply to this talk, i would say, the actual system is good, just need to move theses 2 amateur class an other day to give them a 2nd moto. (=> next year).
The actual problem is just the real lack of attendance by a lot of european & americans pro players. If you compare the results from last year EMF national and this year, you'll see a lot of name are missing. Some of them, euros, are not playing anymore but the majority of americans players are not racing this serie.
I know it's hard to learn 2 differents tracks in the same week but hey that's what we did in 2013 with GPs + AMA and there was full gate almost everytime.

I see 2 options :

- tracks are released too late, and a lot of guys can't play if there is only one day of qualifying.

- tracks are not good, that's why people are not playing on them.

Since we don't have a lot of bad critiscism on tracks, except maybe Losail & Leon, i guess (hope) it's the 1st option.
But if i understand good, we have to search in others thread to read bad critiscisms on GP tracks #Ruben!
Let us know what you guys think in this thread :=)
The next round will be released really soon to let you some time to play and qualify, we'll see if it's better.

GP tracks are great... Ever thought about releasing the rest of the tracks on Monday rather then tuesday? see if you get more signups from amercians etc?

[Logeyboy]

#lettheaussiesrace That would make it 40 riders per class

[M@xTizZz]

#lettheaussiesrace That would make it 40 riders per class

we want players no christmas trees

[Cbear12]

To reply to this talk, i would say, the actual system is good, just need to move theses 2 amateur class an other day to give them a 2nd moto. (=> next year).
The actual problem is just the real lack of attendance by a lot of european & americans pro players. If you compare the results from last year EMF national and this year, you'll see a lot of name are missing. Some of them, euros, are not playing anymore but the majority of americans players are not racing this serie.
I know it's hard to learn 2 differents tracks in the same week but hey that's what we did in 2013 with GPs + AMA and there was full gate almost everytime.

I see 2 options :

- tracks are released too late, and a lot of guys can't play if there is only one day of qualifying.

- tracks are not good, that's why people are not playing on them.

Since we don't have a lot of bad critiscism on tracks, except maybe Losail & Leon, i guess (hope) it's the 1st option.
But if i understand good, we have to search in others thread to read bad critiscisms on GP tracks #Ruben!
Let us know what you guys think in this thread :=)
The next round will be released really soon to let you some time to play and qualify, we'll see if it's better.

If i am honest, i like these tracks more than the rF tracks, so the tracks are not the problem at all.
Also, I really like the idea of pro and amateur being on 2 different days.
As long as this series doesn't cost $25 or something next year, i'll be racing. This is my favorite series in mxs atm.

[Sandhapper]

Everyone is going to hate me for this. But in my honest oppinion the tracks are very very bad. I don't have any fun riding them. I like the AMA tracks way more. Yes they are a little unrealistic at points, but that's what I like about them! I don't want to spend hours trying to get a track dialed in. I don't want to never be able to pin it through a corner. I don't want to be afraid to slide out constantly.

The visuals on the GP tracks this year aren't that good either.

And to be clear. Yes I praised rF tracks in their thread, because I have the feeling they have more hate than you guys at the moment. And I'm sure I've told you guys all my criticism already, maybe even in this thread somewhere. I've talked to Kristoffer weeks ago and I told him everything I didn't like.

For the first season where you need to make tracks, you should start a year up front and get all the tracks done before the actual season starts. Making good tracks takes time, it can't be done in 2 weeks unless you've done it a lot before.

[Wahlamt]

Everyone is going to hate me for this. But in my honest oppinion the tracks are very very bad. I don't have any fun riding them. I like the AMA tracks way more. Yes they are a little unrealistic at points, but that's what I like about them! I don't want to spend hours trying to get a track dialed in. I don't want to never be able to pin it through a corner. I don't want to be afraid to slide out constantly.

It's okay, it's your opinion. The AMA and GP tracks this year are vastly different, nothing wrong with liking or disliking either of them. However I would say that both series are good, just that one of them might not be pleasing to you, if you'd like, I could show you some tracks that are legitimately bad But if you don't like these ones, I'm happy that you can enjoy the AMA ones.

The visuals on the GP tracks this year aren't that good either.

May I ask what makes the visuals bad? Losail was a big mess, I'm very aware, but also that track was hard to make the right adjustments to, but besides from that, what about the tracks are not good? I've never been able to tell bumps as clearly as I can on Teutschenthal, but maybe that's just me.

For the first season where you need to make tracks, you should start a year up front and get all the tracks done before the actual season starts. Making good tracks takes time, it can't be done in 2 weeks unless you've done it a lot before.

Starting a year up front would be both good and bad. As for example, this year, I would have made Uddevalla completely unnecessary, since they pulled it out in last minute. Also layout changes that may occur can't be accounted for either. You can neither count on objects or such to be correct then either, so the best that I could tell what to make on the forehand is a decent heightmap to then pursue and make the track from. Tracks like Leon this year for example, couldn't be found on google maps/earth, at least not by me, so that track had to be layout'ed by freehanding it, quite difficult

GP tracks are great... Ever thought about releasing the rest of the tracks on Monday rather then tuesday? see if you get more signups from amercians etc?

Our plan all along was to release the tracks by monday night, giving 2 days of practice, but we've failed big time with this, since the tracks are finished in last second, after deadline. Our goal from now is to have them released Sunday nights, but I guess we'll have to wait and see if that happens

[Wilson156]

I personally love the gp's this year. Personally don't care a lot for the ama tracks. Just the style that they're making them seems inconstant or they trying to make breaking bumps to big that doesn't work well with sim. Gp's have the same style bumps every week which makes it easier to learn the tracks. I feel as they might be a little peaky at times but makes it technical that i really like. I think your doing great with the tracks this year keep up the hard work emf crew!

[ROSE822]

As you said tracks are coming out sunday night, does it start this weekend or next?

[Aaron Hall]

As you said tracks are coming out sunday night, does it start this weekend or next?

never

[M@xTizZz]

As you said tracks are coming out sunday night, does it start this weekend or next?

yes this week, i'm just back to home now, so track links will be posted around midnight

[ROSE822]

As you said tracks are coming out sunday night, does it start this weekend or next?

yes this week, i'm just back to home now, so track links will be posted around midnight

ohh sweet,appreciate it

[M@xTizZz]

Sorry guys, i fell asleep while uploading the high version yesterday

(i'm in my mother's house for few days and the internet connection is not really good....)


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