Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby checkerz » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:06 pm

Jay wrote: I just think you could do some minor things and make it look heaps better up close not just have a killer birds eye


How about instead of just leaving a douchebag, personal ego stroking comment; you provide something constructive or put a roll of duct tape over your mouth and hands so your keyboard and voice go un-used because the crap you are spewing is useless anyways.

I still love you jay, but don't be a dick.

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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby mxsrider96 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:39 pm

Atom6246 wrote:Looks nice. Just curious wheres the finish going to be this year? Is that in that background?

pretty sure the finish is close to where it was last year, that table at the top of the hill heading back down. I could very easily be wrong though
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Mr. Wiggles » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:58 pm

Jay wrote:
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good from far
far from good

I honestly don't mean that to be an asshole I just think you could do some minor things and make it look heaps better up close not just have a killer birds eye... this isnt flight sim

Wait this isn't flight sim fuck I bought the game bye
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby checkerz » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:28 am

High Point is coming along real good.
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Sandhapper » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:09 pm

Jay wrote:


good from far
far from good

I honestly don't mean that to be an asshole I just think you could do some minor things and make it look heaps better up close not just have a killer birds eye... this isnt flight sim


I'm curious to know what you think could be improved. The things you'll point out may help me in the future as well.
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Tristan.Botteram » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:46 pm

Getting my first selfmade object ready for my new track :roll:
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Jay » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:13 am

He is relying on the overlay for more detail than it can offer at such a large scale
It looks like he is using a max of 3 decals 1 grass 1 possibly 2 dirt and that's the extent of the variety offered at close range- without the overlay this track would look like a glorified stock track.

I honestly did not mean to be a douche... if I did I would have left it at my first comment and not added the sentence under it....
I meant to more or less challenge Race to try some things that may make the track look better because he is already killing it with the overlays...

Chris you're that annoying protective dad that no one wants around.... let race take some negative feedback for a change.
Sandhapper I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby checkerz » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:38 am

Jay wrote:He is relying on the overlay for more detail than it can offer at such a large scale
It looks like he is using a max of 3 decals 1 grass 1 possibly 2 dirt and that's the extent of the variety offered at close range- without the overlay this track would look like a glorified stock track.

I honestly did not mean to be a douche... if I did I would have left it at my first comment and not added the sentence under it....
I meant to more or less challenge Race to try some things that may make the track look better because he is already killing it with the overlays...

Chris you're that annoying protective dad that no one wants around.... let race take some negative feedback for a change.
Sandhapper I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not

Had you included that first paragraph in your post, I would've had nothing to comment about. Yes, I feel it's important to stand up for the guys that are busting their butts week in and week out and are constantly a target for crap comments. Sorry it's annoying to you, but your troll comment history towards Race is annoying towards me.

There is a big difference between negative feedback and shit comments... your post was a shit comment because feedback would actually include specifics like your last post.

Race takes feedback better than anyone I've ever worked with and is more than okay with admitting he isn't the best. If you look closely, you'll also see this track is not like any others he's done before and is actually done like Haggqvist used to do his with the off track overlay and much less impact from the overlay on track. So, you are correct with the feedback on past tracks and Race is progressing and doing exactly what you're saying.

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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Jay » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:40 am

can I talk to Race not his receptionist ?
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby checkerz » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:45 am

Jay wrote:can I talk to Race not his receptionist ?

I have a bit more free time since I've been fired as your employment agent, so I picked up the job as Race's emotional support dog. *ruff ruff

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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Racers52 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:45 am

Jay wrote:He is relying on the overlay for more detail than it can offer at such a large scale


The past year and couple of this years rounds, yes.

The main reasoning behind this was to increase visibility of ruts and bumps which is the largest complaint of outdoors tracks.

Honestly the overlay can hold alot of detail and if used properly and played in game at high settings. Haggavist is basically the master of this technique but unfortunately many of his updated GP tracks are so visually demanding, hardly anyone can play them. Go download and play http://www.mediafire.com/file/v75dcy97dp5dd43/mxs.gp.st.jean.d.angely.7z and you will understand this aspect of high detail overlays.

Where I noticed problems with the overlay being used in high detail is when the packaging script resizes the overlays. This takes away alot of the the detail in the overlay and hence causes visibility issues. Best way to try to solving this is by using low detail overlays saved with low opacities and high detailed decals. While this method does look very good, it can increase file sizes and depending how strong the decals normal mapping are, can affect shading to where you cant see rough and ruts.

The method I have been trying is basically the Hagg approach. I would like to say that the tracks I have done this year have been a nice balance of medium detailed and high-medium performance. My goal is to essentially give a feel of a replica but try to offer some detail to those guys that have good PC's and some decent performance to those guys that have not so good PC's. It is a large group to cater for and I still have not and probably wont have a perfect method for this but I try my best. I am sure there are ways to achieve high detail, high performance, perfect shading and enviroment but I honestly have not had enough experience to create this yet.Image


Jay wrote:It looks like he is using a max of 3 decals 1 grass 1 possibly 2 dirt and that's the extent of the variety offered at close range- without the overlay this track would look like a glorified stock track.


True. This is the most efficient way to do a replica (time wise) for me. And like I said previously, I still think this is the best method overall.

I would love to see a non-overlay national, I think the detail would be awesome but it would be a massive project. Definitely not possible within the week in and week out schedule for nationals based off of one person working on it.

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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Jay » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:01 am

Chris can you just fuck off... you're being a tool almost to a gender equality feminist level and this conversation never did/will invite you to be apart of it... you never see me say much about your work because you handle things like this.

Thanks for explaining that Race, I didn't realize about the resizing thing and all the rest makes sense... I'm trying a way with a 16k texture and tiling it in 1024 images and trying to do away with decals apart from tread norms.. I'm no genius but so far the smaller I make the tiles the better the game is performing and I have the file size down to 50 mb.... obviously a national would be a larger scale and a little harder but the overlay itself took only a day.

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Again I really didn't mean to offend you Race your overlays are incredible just figured you might be tuning them too much in comparison to what could be more important and I said this with the first thing that came to mind "Good from far, far from good " then explained myself in the paragraph following to try and not come across too strong... + you're not my favorite person in the world anyway, I really didn't want to hold your hand through the whole issue as I've done in the past.
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Sandhapper » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:29 am

Jay wrote:Sandhapper I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not

Nope I wasn't.
I'm seriously interested in this stuff.
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Re: Upcoming Tracks and Track Objects #2

Postby Jay » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:05 pm

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This is what I had a while ago... was showing Kyle (with a few side notes)
now each of those is split 4 ways

I've been doing AX tracks like it for years so now I'm trying to bump the scale up alittle
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its surprisingly quick to do if you script it in ps and automate it all and all I did was make 4 jumps a ttop and a berm out of loam in the back yard
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Now to what Im actually working on
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