YZ125 2015

[Juninho_Pereira19]

Dude I LOVE YOU <3

[Benjii_D]

This looks great sir! Just one question for my own curiosity. From every tutorial I have seen, they are very adamant about not using triangles when modeling in blender. I know most apps can handle tris much better than blender. I'm sure this was made in max or something and imported into blender. Are there any issues that can arise from using tris strictly in blender? Or is it fine since it was imported just to bring it in-game?

Every model in mxs is made up of triangles whether you want it or not. Because when you export a jm it triangulates it automatically. That's how 3d softwares works and especially game models

Here is an example. The face look like a quad on the left side but in mxs it would convert it to the right example.


I triangulate my model because I don't want to let the blender to do it for me. If I bake on a mesh with quads the mesh can change when it's exported. A little example of a quad that is triangulated in two different directions that makes a BIG difference




So why have you heard that you only supposed to use quads then?. That's because the subsurface/turbosmooth dosen't work wery good with triangles. (I don't think other sowtwaers does a much better job than blender but I haven't used them all). Also other tools like the loop cut requires quad faces. so when you model a High Poly/High quality model you should avoid triangles as much as possible.

So really it depends on the situation if you want triangles or not.
A. High poly model used for normal map bakes. 99% quad faces.
B. Low poly game model before triangulated. 60-80% quads depends on the model you make obviously. This is good while you are modeling because you get a better polyflow, at the same time you can add loops and edit the mesh much easier.
C. Right before the normal map bake I triangulate my mesh (Ctrl+T in blender) and this is the model I will export and use in game.


I hope this helps, it's kinda weird and hard to explain but it makes sense when you start using understanding the whole concept of modeling and baking

[Benjii_D]

And here is a dropbox link https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rlyuzql1zbb ... 5.rar?dl=0

[yzmxer608]

So when you export from blender and it triangulates, it does it in a different way than manually (ctrl+T) triangulating it? After you do that, do you inspect the model to see if it did it in the wrong orientation (like your second image)?

[Benjii_D]

So when you export from blender and it triangulates, it does it in a different way than manually (ctrl+T) triangulating it? After you do that, do you inspect the model to see if it did it in the wrong orientation (like your second image)?

I did a little experiment and I don't think it has anything to do with the export process. Triangulated or not the model will be an exact replica of how it currently looks in blender. So forget teh exporting part that was a lie. The problem is when you bake on a model with quads blender will turn some edges the wrong way around which will result in something that looks like the image below. However this only happens in the blender internal. in cycles it did bake a perfectly clean normal map with the exact same low poly and high poly model.

Blender internal

Cycles

I guess it's because the internal bake is a bit outdated, I switched over to cycles anyway since you can use cages for baking which is a big plus.
I don't know why the ctrl+T will change the direction of the edges. IMO it would make more sense if it triangulated them in the same way as it's showing them visually, might be a reason behind it who knows
So basically as long as we stick to cycles this is no longer a problem you can now triangulate the mesh after the bake without any problem. Only did a few small tests but I think this should be correct

[Benjii_D]

Me english so guud sometajms! I hope you'll understand anyway

[yzmxer608]

Haven't tried baking in cycles yet, I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

[AntonioPallares]

OMG

[VMX_SKYmx99]

Thanks so much Benji. I appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into that explanation. It helped a lot!

[KAWASAKIZ]

thank for dropbox link benji! this bike's amazing

[M@xTizZz]

awesome work Benjii thank u so much

[Motolife_99]

Just fixing up some stuff ._.

[MOTOZ293]

Such a sick release! And Always love the renders