2015 MotoSport rF National Round 5: High Point

[m121c]

I had this idea forever, never had to do it because normally you know when youre getting cuts. I did it on this one because when you have 1 gate in the corner, 1 gate on the triple, and one on the dropoff into the canyon, with no visible bales or anything on the track to know where the gates are, you could easily cut on accident, and with 2 close gates that could mean missing a lap without knowing it.

So you are suggesting showing where the timing gates are actually at? So people will now where they can get away with stuff? I mean realistically you have to give breathing room for mistakes and stuff so people don't completely get their races ruined, realistically there are tons a spots you can get away with cheater lines on MANY tracks, even your soul mate Barrington's.

Want me to do this on a track with good gates, that i didnt create? or a track where i personally placed all the bales, spongebobs and timing gates? This has nothing to do with barrington or cutting youre just an ignorant fuck bringing that up trying to make a very valid point i brought up unimportant.

History doesn't lie the fact you definitely favor a Barrington track over everyone elses, and 9 times out 10 you have some smart ass remark or you have to give your "2 cents" that is so well constructed. I've seen your spongebob placement, I can only imagine what your timing gates look like.

My suggestion is CORRECT gates, I feel like you've never made a track, or placed timing gates. I don't cut, or give a fuck about cutting, the thing is hundreds of people are playing these tracks, qualifying, and racing. They need to be correct.

So why do you mean by "correct" gates? You really haven't said jack shit on how you would fix this. I wouldn't expect you to know that I have made tracks but definitely have, enough to think that you really don't understand how the timing gates really work. You obviously give a fuck about cutting as you just posted a timing gate demonstrating cutting...

If you think tighter and more gates are going to cause problems please go look at old National tracks and supercross tracks. And the problem is, if you ride within the yellow stakes that are placed crooked, and the bales placed unevenly. you never know where timing gates are.

You shouldn't need to know where they are. The objective should be to not worry about where they are as long as they give a player breathing room for mistakes and you don't get penalized/lose a lap when you ride within the stakes.

I get that it can be frustrating for the serious guys of the game when the first thing people do is download the track, look at the timing gates, and then proceed to cut to get a time. Ironically most of the fast guys are ones that do this and they still bitch... but unfortunately rF can't babysit qualifying unless it was winter indoor style which takes too long. So unless we can hide the timing gates then the cutting with proceed to happen in qualifying and then strangely enough everyone will ride normal in the race and laptimes will be abnormally slow compared to qualy times... I guess that would be a good way to weed out the cheaters.

[AWood]

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too tired to reply to anything else.

You should not have to worry about the gates, on a track where there is thought in their placement, placed on statues and stakes so they can be distinct. I worried about the placement, that's why i checked and mapped for the sake of the video. never wanted them to be visible in game.

[jeremy103]

Yeah the timing gates weren't placed exactly the width of the track. No there weren't hay bales to stop the cutting. But if you just rode on the "on track" decals, I am sure you wouldn't have to worry about missing a gate. I feel like that is what you are trying to argue. Which to me doesn't make any sense. Because like I said, if you just ride on the "on track decals or inside the stakes there won't be a problem with cheating or getting cuts.

Especially on the ones that were placed here. You had a lot of room for error that wouldn't cause you to miss a gate. So if anything I feel these gates are better for RACING. If you just stay on the track like a good boy, we wouldn't have a problem with cheating.

And I don't understand why you have to rage about the timing gates and make the track seem really bad (when it was the best track so far imo) because of a small error, use them to your advantage while you can... I mean it will only help you out in qualifying. Because not everyone goes and checks timing gates right when the track comes out to see where they can cut .

[mxsrider96]

too wrong to reply to anything else.

FTFY

[m121c]

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too tired to reply to anything else.

You should not have to worry about the gates, on a track where there is thought in their placement, placed on statues and stakes so they can be distinct. I worried about the placement, that's why i checked and mapped for the sake of the video. never wanted them to be visible in game.

Again though, there were no bad gates on this track as long as you aren't looking for them so you can cheat. If you would have rode on the track within where you are supposed to and never looked at them in the first place, you would have never known. Your only defense is they weren't placed on distinct objects? And you think people should take your track feedback seriously? Still failing to see how the gates are not "correct" they work as intended, unless your intention is to cheat.

As said before, they were place at 3 a.m. in the morning that same day the track was released, all so people could have a new up to date track. Whether or not you think it was good or not, it was still something different, and my opinion rode really well. Now accuracy can be argued but I would just say your an idiot because to me, I thought it was pretty damn good. Heck even the new sections were close and they didn't even have any references other than a shitty video and a few Instagram photos.

Honestly I have no idea what your objective is every time you come in the tracks section guns blazing telling the creators that the track is shit, their gate placement is shit, the traction is shit, their track creations are shit, fuck this, and fuck that. What are you trying to accomplish? You want to run all the other creator's away so your MCM is the only one left to make stuff? Don't get me wrong I'm not talking shit on Barrington's track at all when I make fun of your love for him (he sees it too) but one guy can not possibly do all the work week in and week out for an entire series, let alone the team of creators that have been doing this stuff all have their own expertise for the tracks. You lose even one of them and the series will take a hit.

I wouldn't blame Chris to give the entire series a big "fuck you" and just pull out from doing any track updates. Unfortunately for the racing community that also means that 75% of the national tracks can not be updated.

[barrington314]

As said before, they were place at 3 a.m. in the morning that same day the track was released, all so people could have a new up to date track.

Not exactly true. Here is my take for anyone that cares, although I don't see why it matters any more.
Monday night Wheels, SMR, and myself got a PM with a track link. It was a terrain and decals. Meaning it needed ALL of the statues placed. Starting gates fixed. Timing gates... and so on. By this time it was around 10 or 11 PM my time and I wanted nothing to do with it. If it just needed naming done and saf'd and uploaded, even shadows rendered, im game to help. Not the case. I thought it was silly to start over on that track in the first place but whatever, I dont blame Chris for wanting his own base. But if its not done, its not done. When Tony found out he lost his files or whatever on Saturday, IMO the game plan should have been to use last years. It took me not even 30 minutes to rough in the new sections (and IMO I got it closer, tooting my own horn for once instead of awood doing that for me ) which allows more time to focus on all the other BS as well as less work for SMR doing banners. Less time placing stakes, timing gates, decals. Change the traction and let her rip. The traction change alone made it almost a new track. They are both based off the google sat image, just slightly different scales/interpretations of the heights. That was my take and how I would have went about it. Anyways, Wheels, SMR and Myself all weren't feeling like rushing to finish someone elses track the night of the release. We decide to rename last years and re run it. Bummer for those that put time in but it can be finished and used next year, was our thoughts. I was about half way done re naming the files when Checkerz got on TS and we could tell he wasn't happy about putting time into something and it not being used. Totally understandable. So we all started taking roles into getting stuff done. After wasting an hour (now its midnight) trying to get a pixel map to work for the stakes, and it not working for me I go to bed, frustrated, with the intentions of finishing anything that needs done the next day. Enter Tuesday afternoon. Now we have a track with most the statues done. Still need to make a low, medium and high. Fix timing gates and 30 sec and finish line flagger. Race was working on the timing gates as we know and I was sorting out the different versions to saf them and double checking the naming of files. Race sent me the timing gates file. I opened it and took a quick glance and told him he would need to add some more gates and fix the placement on some. Continued doing my thing. He sent my gyazos this time and again I told him to fix some up... This is in no way a shot at Race. I know hes just trying to help and is also learning at the same time. I actually like Race and want to help him learn more. Anyways, dinner time was coming. The track was already a day late and I was just completely over it and figured, "what the hell, they will at least work and people wont get cuts, which is most important. Welll we release track and I go to start making dinner. And I hear Mullins shouting my name in teamspeak. I come back to find out he already figured out ways to cut. I ask him which ones need fixed as I was in the middle of real life stuff now, I quickly change those and re upload tracks. This goes back to something I am pretty sure I said to Tony, and Korey who are both constantly on my case to help with tracks "I dont want bits and pieces of the track. If you do it, do it all". I've also heard other people say "why dont you let other people help with tracks". Because its a pain in the ass. Theres a few people that I know I could get files from and trust that they are right... those people no longer take part in this. I think Awood sensed my frustration through this release but has a different way of expressing that than what myself or some others might. He does generally know what hes talking about when he cares to and I know he could help out just as well as anyone else thats been helping out with tracks. Maybe I should mentor Awood. He can only post on the forums through me.

I wouldn't blame Chris to give the entire series a big "fuck you" and just pull out from doing any track updates. Unfortunately for the racing community that also means that 75% of the national tracks can not be updated.

This is also not quite true. A bit exaggerated. Im not trying to be a dick here in any way either. But what some people might not know is that 75 % or more of the tracks did start with Haggqvist. Yes theres still 95% or more work to do from these but if anyone is feeling frisky...
http://forum.mxsimulator.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10302
Personally I wouldnt start any tracks over or put much time into changing them this year. Id wait until Litpro maps start floating around. Example...

Hating each other and arguing, especially over pointless old stuff, isn't going to solve or get us anywhere.
Maybe I should make the next tracks release topic now so we can get the arguing out of the way early.

[AWood]

Thanks.

Anyways, I agree with the bashing from the initial post. But the fact that anyone has any prying to say about the gates is ridiculous. I posted proof. And my opinion. Mason you're just going off to go off. Insisting I'm just looking to cheat. But when jesse finds ways to cheat and tries to correct them he gets a pat on the back. Good thing he probably fixed 5 of the cheater lines when there is still a good 5 more.


My fav part is when I post something Barrington tells me to say and then get yelled at Just because I said it. Those are my favorite posts to sit back and laugh at because I realize none of you would ever talk to him like that.

[suzuki98]

have not done that much track making in the last couple of years but if you need help i would see what i could do to help

[barrington314]

to be fair awood, i also tell you to make the point with out being an asshole. You fail on the asshole not being part.

[Yamahaman95]

Well its also hard for everyone to do this when they dont get paid. i think the week of me making the track i was working around 10-12 hour days or some shit and was waking up at 5:30am to make the track before i had to load up and get the route ready. and then i lost it and did some digging just to find an older version i had saved.

[m121c]

I'm not insisting you are trying to cheat, but all I'm saying is you saying the gates are "shit" because they allow you cheat is ridiculous. What is sad is it's like the entire racing community needs baby sit all week long in qualifying half the time. It's the "I know I shouldn't do it but just because it's there and is possible I will" mentality. Jesse is included in this also as I went off on him in TS about it when he came running into to tell everyone how shitty the track was because you could do a bunch of cuts everywhere.

What I can't rap my mind around, and this is my biggest point, is why we have to look for cheater lines? Just ride the track like it is supposed to be ridden! If you look for a problem you get a problem.

"It's the track creators fault I'm cutting the track they should have put more gates down". How old are we all? Take some responsibility. Maybe would need a group of enforcers to periodically jump in the server all week to catch your guys that are cheating? Submit demo's of the top 10's laps? Qualifying protests? I don't know, seems unnecessary to me but obviously it isn't when it's been happening.

You are right though I wouldn't talk to Barrington like this, he respects me and I respect him. I would still argue my point but in a respectful manor. You on the other hand started this disrespectfully therefor I talk to you with none. Plus, it's pretty safe to say I don't like you and you don't like me, so there's that too.

[m121c]

BTW Barrington that LIT Pro data looks sick, but just how to you obtain it? Do you have to buy it or what?

[Racers52]

BTW Barrington that LIT Pro data looks sick, but just how to you obtain it? Do you have to buy it or what?

399$...

[barrington314]

I dont have an apple device (android for life) but I used a friends Ipad to check out the app. None of the "HD maps" that they advertise having were on there. Just google maps. So maybe you have to buy it to access them. Or maybe they just dont have them on the app yet. Id be pretty disappointed though if I was a privateer and bought one for the nationals but cant use the same maps that Dungey and company are using.
I have an email out to them but no reply yet. Well see what happens soon I think.

[m121c]

You will most likely have to unlock the device to access the App's files would you not?