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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby checkerz » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:07 am

Thank you for the well thought out comments.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby checkerz » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:09 am

whoops, sorry for the double post, but didn't look at the puremxs scores before. Although I agree with the review and comments, I do feel the scores are a bit low. Looking at a scale, 3 would be average. Looking at most tracks released, I don't think anything on this track should be considered anything less than above average. Not a biggie, and the comments mean more than the scores.

Thanks for taking the time to review.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby adhkcrfhonda » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:20 am

one of my favorite tracks. really fun. great job, and sorry that i dont have a really thought out comment, but i love this track. thats all. haha
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby mace-x » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:01 pm

Checkerz448 wrote:whoops, sorry for the double post, but didn't look at the puremxs scores before. Although I agree with the review and comments, I do feel the scores are a bit low. Looking at a scale, 3 would be average. Looking at most tracks released, I don't think anything on this track should be considered anything less than above average. Not a biggie, and the comments mean more than the scores.

Thanks for taking the time to review.


the problem with pure is that there are lots of noobs like oooooooh this is awesome and it's just a crappy disp map with stock decals, and got a 5 on objects 0.o, a 5 on textures 0.o again, and a 5 in all the aspects that they should get a 1,
im not rating your track vs other's tracks, also im not rating your track as other people rate other tracks, im trying to be critic, hard, to give you some feedback to work with at your next project.
sorry if you felt bad about the score, i wanted to give you some more than:

awesome!
5
5
5
5
5

hopefully i've clarified my point, and again, congratulations for making some of the greatest tracks for this game, (im still thinking that a different dirt, a more sllippery one would make this track soooo more rideable and awesome than what it is).

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby Axle McOctane » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:44 pm

Now that I've gotten to ride it a bit..

Checkers you've established yourself, in my opinion, as one of the very top track creators for this game.

I do agree with some that the friction maps might be able to use a little fine tuning. I wouldn't go so far as to say that your recent tracks felt like concrete, but I do think there might be a little too much traction.

Also thought I'd point out that for this track and Mission, I am running basically my supercross gearing. At first I thought that there weren't any high-speed sections at all, but then I figured out how to go faster. Still, if I do ever wrap out fifth gear on these tracks, it's just for an instant. There could be a little bit more variety in speed on your next tracks, but that is only a minor suggestion because I don't have any other critiques for it. I like how it runs very good on my computer, as I run just about as low of graphics as possible.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby checkerz » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:54 pm

mace, like I said, not worried about it, the comments mean more than the scores anyways.

Interesting comments on the traction and the speeds.

I would agree that Mission was a bit too sticky, but we dialed it way back for Sorento. It's definitely a preference thing, and since I'm still not great at the game, slippery=frustrating. I don't like losing the front end everywhere that's for sure, but if you have a good track to reference that you like, I can try it and see if I agree that it's good and get something similar.

What tracks do you feel have the best traction? In particular, do you like the traction on Glen Helen?

As far as the speeds.

It was definitely done consciously. First off, I can't think of too many times on a real bike you get into 5th at all... but this is a game so it makes sense to exaggerate if needed. The other thing is, the bike reacts pretty crappy to any bumps, steering, or even brakes at high speeds, so I've found it's best to just avoid them. It also feels like I'm flying an airplane if I leave the ground at high speeds. If this is something more people want, I'll consider it for future tracks, but it's really not my style. I like the technical slow stuff haha.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby JB323 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:22 pm

Axle McOctane wrote:Now that I've gotten to ride it a bit..



I do agree with some that the friction maps might be able to use a little fine tuning. I wouldn't go so far as to say that your recent tracks felt like concrete, but I do think there might be a little too much traction.



stop dropping the clutch, and learn throttle control like it real life. Chris and I have agreed on we like the tacky stuff because it allows for better racing. Also you have to remember when you get the rougher tracks having a slick traction DOES NOT work. Ill try and tweak some more stuff with the slip speed so it spins off more on the low speeds (if im saying that right )
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby toonys66 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:03 pm

online, i was on the left , the further, and it s impossible to make a straight line to the first turn, i had to break to let people pass, the barrier goes too much on the right and it close too much for rider on the left side of the starting grid... except this, it s awesome!
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby checkerz » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:18 pm

toonys66 wrote:online, i was on the left , the further, and it s impossible to make a straight line to the first turn, i had to break to let people pass, the barrier goes too much on the right and it close too much for rider on the left side of the starting grid... except this, it s awesome!



It was done on purpose, for better or for worse, I'm not sure, I'm open to thoughts.

You see, there is a problem with people banzaiing into the first turns in this game and taking everyone out... Crashes happen from the inside and push out cleaning out the outside guys. To try and make this a great online racing track for full rooms, the inside gates are made to make a majority of guys shut off and slow down prior to the corner, which in turn should help avoid the pile up (but you can still hug the inside and let everything push out to get a great start, or beat everyone there and run your line). The outside may be the "good" gates to get that huge holeshot, but they are also the risky gates because everything pushes out. This makes for some interesting strategy on the start if you ask me.

What are your thoughts after hearing the reasoning? BTW, I love gate #28 on this track hehe

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby ddmx » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:43 am

the traction problem might be able to be solved by reducing the friction at very low speeds. that'll solve the wheel problem when rolling on the gas.
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby checkerz » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:58 am

ddmx wrote:the traction problem might be able to be solved by reducing the friction at very low speeds. that'll solve the wheel problem when rolling on the gas.


I do notice I bog when leaving the gate from hooking up so much, so you may be onto something. It's a fine line I assume, as those same slow speeds are also when you're real slow on the inside of corners.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby JB323 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:19 am

ddmx wrote:the traction problem might be able to be solved by reducing the friction at very low speeds. that'll solve the wheel problem when rolling on the gas.

here is the tile map i posted in the other section, so maybe add a few more lines and lower them the first # would most likely fix that and keep the same effect?
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friction 0.7 1.5
friction 1.2 3.0
roll_resist 10 20 0
roll_resist 20 50 20
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby Garasaki » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:53 am

0.7 is REALLY slick!! :shock:
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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby Wings » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:15 am

Thats what she said.

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Re: Sorento Hills

Postby Duckstream » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:33 pm

of your size...


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