2012 Supercross/Motocross discussion

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Voutare wrote:
die996 wrote:You only win in the Motocross des nations because the FIM wants you for the crowd and lets you race the AMA-regulated MX bikes (like 10lbs lighter than a FIM World MX bike thanks to regulation). Wait for 2012 and 2013, you won't win a heat (FIM-regulated bikes for everybody)
Your going to say that when RV smoked a bunch of euro 450's on a 250f at Budds Creek (God Bless America and that fantastic day), he was on some super-crazy-AMA-reg-bike? You have got to be kidding me.
To win you need more than a great bike... but 10lbs means quite a lot when it comes to motorbike racing

Seriously, just look at Roczen and Bagget in St. Jean d'Angely. Bagget only sat back and enjoy the uphill zones while Roczen had to pull his clutch like crazy to keep up pace because he was riding his FIM bike
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die996 wrote:
Voutare wrote:
die996 wrote:You only win in the Motocross des nations because the FIM wants you for the crowd and lets you race the AMA-regulated MX bikes (like 10lbs lighter than a FIM World MX bike thanks to regulation). Wait for 2012 and 2013, you won't win a heat (FIM-regulated bikes for everybody)
Your going to say that when RV smoked a bunch of euro 450's on a 250f at Budds Creek (God Bless America and that fantastic day), he was on some super-crazy-AMA-reg-bike? You have got to be kidding me.
To win you need more than a great bike... but 10lbs means quite a lot when it comes to motorbike racing

Seriously, just look at Roczen and Bagget in St. Jean d'Angely. Bagget only sat back and enjoy the uphill zones while Roczen had to pull his clutch like crazy to keep up pace because he was riding his FIM bike
Bagget got lapped, Roczen passed and beat Dungey who was on a 450'f. Makes no sense huh :?
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You're a moron.
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frederick wrote:
Voutare wrote: And you do realize that the 350's the FIM allows are bored out right?
THey dont do it though. How bad would it be if KTM were "busted" doing this? The KTM factory team in US and Europe are co-operating, the riders sign to race for KTM, whatever series the choose is a free choice and they all are basicly on the same bikes. Roczen and Searle, when he was riding ktm's said that they prefered the US-spec bikes because they had a bit more power though.
From what I have heard, the FIM is way to relaxed with bikes being bored. I've heard plenty of times, from industry, media, etc. that the 350 Cairoli rides isn't a 350. I know it's not all that great when it comes to PR, but it does not sound the same, act the same, or look the same as a 350, personally. If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, and eats like a pig, it's probably a pig.


Is a 350 good? Hell yeah. For a local guy who does not want all the 450 offers, it's great. For a professional at the top of his sport? I don't think so. They want everything they can get. Honestly, how many times have you heard a local guy say "I don't want a 450 because it's too much?" I hear it a lot, and that's the reason I ride a 250f. It's more fun, and less pure power. It's perfect for me. But, how many times have you heard a pro complain about a 450 being too much? Never. Hell, most 250f guys when they are hurt get on a 450 first, because for them it's easier to ride (Wil Hahn for example. Pourcel did the same, as did Barcia). Complete opposite of thinking.
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God damn it Die. Stop being so stupid.


The regulations for the MXdN are a cooperation between AMA-FIM bikes. Talk to ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about it, and you'll hear the same shit. Listen to Mitch Payton talk about how he needs to completely change the bike for the MXdN events. Ask any team about running an FIM event. It's different. The gas, the sound, the carbon fiber, the weight, the engines, the foam tires, everything is different.


But, euro's do the same. AMA/FIM regs require every single bike in the MXdN to run the EXACT same set of rules. Period. End of story.
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Here is even more. Straight off of RacerX, straight out of Zach White's mouth. (He works for Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki)


In regards to prepping the bike for the MXdN:

The team owner there Mitch Payton has always been behind his riders racing this event hasn’t he?
Oh for sure, no matter what country you’re from, we back the guys. We’re doing everything for Dean and Tyla that we do for Blake. Because of the FIM rules we’re able to do a few different things on the bike than we’re allowed to do over here, like run the carbon fiber subframe and airbox and a few things here and there. Then again we have to run steel axles and pivots and run a guard on the front sprocket, which we don’t have to do over here. And of course the sound rules are different. It’s a two-meter max but it’s different than what’s run here, a little stricter I suppose.


If I hear one more stupid thing come out of anyone else's mouth today, I swear I'm going to get on my bike and go cycle again to chill out, and I don't want to. It's cold out.
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Voutare wrote:
If I hear one more stupid thing come out of anyone else's mouth today, I swear I'm going to get on my bike and go cycle again to chill out, and I don't want to. It's cold out.
Jlv, You need to get die muted for the rest of the day.
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Voutare wrote:Here is even more. Straight off of RacerX, straight out of Zach White's mouth. (He works for Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki)


In regards to prepping the bike for the MXdN:

The team owner there Mitch Payton has always been behind his riders racing this event hasn’t he?
Oh for sure, no matter what country you’re from, we back the guys. We’re doing everything for Dean and Tyla that we do for Blake. Because of the FIM rules we’re able to do a few different things on the bike than we’re allowed to do over here, like run the carbon fiber subframe and airbox and a few things here and there. Then again we have to run steel axles and pivots and run a guard on the front sprocket, which we don’t have to do over here. And of course the sound rules are different. It’s a two-meter max but it’s different than what’s run here, a little stricter I suppose.


If I hear one more stupid thing come out of anyone else's mouth today, I swear I'm going to get on my bike and go cycle again to chill out, and I don't want to. It's cold out.
Yeah, like if Mitch Payton really prepared the bikes... seriously, team owners don't usually know a single thing about the technical stuff. Do you know Jack Roush builds engines?? Hell no, he just puts the money and a group of people to build them, DUH
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Clement desalle had a top three finish in washougal with a standard bike.

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Tom cortvriendt wrote:Clement desalle had a top three finish in washougal with a standard bike.

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Got'em :D
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die996 wrote:
Tom cortvriendt wrote:Clement desalle had a top three finish in washougal with a standard bike.

:wink:
Got'em :D
PS : it was Unadilla
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Hmmmmmm, I wonder where Voutare went?
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die996 wrote:
Yeah, like if Mitch Payton really prepared the bikes...
Funny thing is he does lol.
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die996 wrote: Yeah, like if Mitch Payton really prepared the bikes... seriously, team owners don't usually know a single thing about the technical stuff. Do you know Jack Roush builds engines?? Hell no, he just puts the money and a group of people to build them, DUH

You can't be fucking serious.


Straight from Pro-Circuit's bio:
Onetime desert-racing pro and motor-tuning specialist Mitch Payton founded Pro Circuit in 1978 at the age of 18. Early Pro Circuit customers were mostly Husqvarna-mounted desert racers and motocrossers who wanted Mitch to provide the same speed set-ups that he and his father had learned to dial in on Mitch's personal race machines. Word regarding the success of Mitch's motor-building skills traveled quickly around southern California racetracks and in no time the cult of Pro Circuit riders was formed. Mitch closed his family's Husqvarna dealership in 1980 to focus his energy on the shop's aftermarket hop-hop service business full-time.

After perfecting his skills in the black arts of cylinder porting and polishing, Mitch and his small-but-elite team of speed specialists focused their collective energy on other bike parts and other brands. Custom-tuned exhaust pipes were the first Pro Circuit high-performance accessory to roll out of Mitch's cluttered speed shop, followed by racing silencers. Pipe business was brisk, and pretty soon every PC-equipped racer was requesting PC performance modifications for other parts of their bike. Pro Circuit obliged by opening a suspension shop and expanding the available line of Pro Circuit exhaust systems and motor accessories for different bike brands. With so many Honda-, Kawasaki-, Yamaha- and Suzuki-mounted racers across the nation running Pro Circuit equipment, it didn't take long for the PC brand to start racking up championships. Pro Circuit's phenomenal racing success rekindled Mitch's competitive fires, so in early 1990 he set Pro Circuit's sights on the holy grail in off-road racing: winning a national motocross championship. But doing so would mean challenging the Big Four at their own game and would require a serious financing. To make this goal a reality, Mitch borrowed a strategy from the auto-racing game-securing a corporate sponsor. By doing this, Mitch changed the way motocross teams would be financed and packaged forever.


He started Pro Circuit. He knows way more than me, you, or anyone else on this board about motocross bikes. Seriously, your ignorance is astounding.


And that ride by DeSalle was great. I didn't think he would show up quite to that extent. But, you do realize he pitted under the Makita Suzuki tent, to race that one off race? I don't know if he was on a full-factory bike, but he had his suspension shipped over for it, as well as some small parts like this brake because of the feel, but everything else was straight from Factory Suzuki.It's definitely not 'standard' by any stretch of imagination.

Botton, I've got my compression shirt on right now. Just wanted to show this kid up once more.
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