Political Debate Thread

[Big Smooth one3]

Trump will not lose the popular vote in my opinion...

Up for a friendly wager?

[TeamHavocRacing]

Leave the conspiracies up to the right, they atleast make a convincing arguement. This Russia and Putin BS is pretty comical.

Of course, it was a foregone conclusion for an evangelical from Iowa. It's no conspiracy, they both said they like each other, I never said anything other than they're buddies. Conspiracy? How about everything being rigged? That SO doesn't sound like a conspiracy. Saying that the right has convincing arguments for their conspiracies is infantile and it plays right into what I said about your foregone conclusion, let alone confirmation bias. How about jailing your political opponents? Dictatorial much? Deplorables indeed. He's the anti-christ for the religious right. How ironic.

[m121c]

Trump will not lose the popular vote in my opinion...

Up for a friendly wager?

If I had anything to wage.

Leave the conspiracies up to the right, they atleast make a convincing arguement. This Russia and Putin BS is pretty comical.

Of course, it was a foregone conclusion for an evangelical from Iowa. It's no conspiracy, they both said they like each other, I never said anything other than they're buddies. Conspiracy? How about everything being rigged? That SO doesn't sound like a conspiracy. Saying that the right has convincing arguments for their conspiracies is infantile and it plays right into what I said about your foregone conclusion, let alone confirmation bias. How about jailing your political opponents? Dictatorial much? Deplorables indeed. He's the anti-christ for the religious right. How ironic.

PC police would not like your stereotypes bro. Oh wait... forgot we don't care about Christians or white males that aren't delusional left extremists. Not sure what my location has anything to do with anything? Logic...

So because they say something nice about each other, they are buddies? You alluded to Putin helping Trump, or a "favor", which in my mind was you hinting at the DNC email hack. In which, we have all but proved it was Russia, we just blame them. If that isn't what you meant, my mistake I read it wrong.

Conspiracy? How about everything being rigged? That SO doesn't sound like a conspiracy.

It is a conspiracy? that is why I joked about conspiracy's generally coming from the right.

However instead of complete guessing and assumption there is actually some evidence to support the claim. I mean we have only proven the rigging of the DNC primary against your boy Bernie, Media and DNC party working together, and even evidence of pay to play throughout the history of the Clinton's run in public service. How about how the FBI and DOJ handled the Clinton case way different than any other investigation? Seems fishy. Anything about the voter ID laws wanting to be abolished because they are "racist"? With evidence like above, it's not unreasonable to claim that fraud and/or a rigged election is not possible.

What is there to support that Trump and Putin are buddies? They said something nice to each other? Convincing.

How about jailing your political opponents? Dictatorial much?

You are joking right?

[TeamHavocRacing]

I love how the mass exodus by republicans after his pussy tape surfaced was pawned off as rally cry to "stand against the establishment". LoL! Let's not forget(so easy, right?) what a circling shark opportunist Trump is. You love how he say's it like it is? He was all Democrat in the not-so-near past and talking hard facts about the difference in administrations under each party. These are his own (inimitable) words...

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat. It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. ...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans."

So, in conclusion, getting rid of all the Mexicans and then making them pay for the wall while stopping all Muslims from entering the country while abolishing the IRS, NATO and Medicaid etc. while cordoning off the "inner cities" while cutting taxes in half while attacking Iran will make America great again how???

He never did get to that part, can you fill me in?

[Boblob801]

He pays the most dollar amount in tax, but compare his income after taxes compared to an average middle class individual, and you quickly see the difference of who it burdens.

I would rather pay more to be an individual, then be told by the government what my healthcare plan is, what college I can go to, how funded our schools/hospitals are, etc. the day they provide something to you, is the day they control it.

Governments are terribly inefficient greedy messes.

The only reason I say that is because that's exactly how my country works. If I want to go to a college, I pick it, no one else. If I get hurt, they pay for it. It's not some plan, they just pay for it. With that said there are certain fees but if I break my leg it cost me $50. I heard you guys pay like 5k. (My brother broke his femur in the USA). So all in all, I pay like $1 a week for each of these funded programs.

[MOTOZ293]

Trump will not lose the popular vote in my opinion, the electoral votes.. They'll fall how they want them to fall.

Leave the conspiracies up to the right

This is just going to turn into another Bush (43) and Al Gore. There are so many issues with the electoral. Like what are we supposed to do if they tie? Its in the constitution, but its a long and confusing process

[TeamHavocRacing]

So all in all, I pay like $1 a week for each of these funded programs.

It's a great for the people, but alas, it's the evil work of socialism (gasp). That would be way worse than communism!

[m121c]

[size="adult conversation size"]So, in conclusion, getting rid of all the Mexicans and then making them pay for the wall while stopping all Muslims from entering the country while abolishing the IRS, NATO and Medicaid etc. while cordoning off the "inner cities" while cutting taxes in half while attacking Iran will make America great again how???

He never did get to that part, can you fill me in?

You can disagree with the real policies, but over exaggerating and make shit up is just nonsense. Kick all the Mexicans out? Really? Blocking out the inner cities? That's a new one. You might as well change the slogan to " Make America White Christians Again!", as I'm sure that is what you see it as anyway.

The only reason I say that is because that's exactly how my country works. If I want to go to a college, I pick it, no one else. If I get hurt, they pay for it. It's not some plan, they just pay for it. With that said there are certain fees but if I break my leg it cost me $50. I heard you guys pay like 5k. (My brother broke his femur in the USA). So all in all, I pay like $1 a week for each of these funded programs.

I'm just not a fan of it. Ask anyone from Canada about their healthcare system and how long they have to wait to see a doctor or specialist. I can't say I have met one Canadian that has anything good to say about it other than it doesn't cost them anything.

As for school, I don't like the idea of tax payers paying for a personal choice, nor do I like the idea of having tuition just handed out willy nilly for degree's that don't prepare for a useful skill set or career. Also what are the stipulations and rules? I mean everyone has to given the right to "free" tuition no matter if they show promise of graduation or not that would be discriminatory right? What if I want multiple degrees? What if I go to medical school and after 6 years drop out or change my major? What if I go for a semester and bail out? Seems like a risky business for tax payer dollars to be involved. I mean we have social security for retirement which is supposed to be a sure fire thing.. but they way it's going I probably will never get to see it. How does New Zealand their schooling, is there limits or requirements? Is there zero risk for a student as far as, if they don't graduate, they have to pay?

I just don't think giving a country that can't even give us a solid retirement program the right away to provided us with healthcare and higher education is a good idea.

It's a great for the people, but alas, it's the evil work of socialism (gasp). That would be way worse than communism!

No communism would definitely be worse. Not sure how that is even a factor in this discussion. As if socialism has a good track record?

[Boblob801]

I'm just not a fan of it. Ask anyone from Canada about their healthcare system and how long they have to wait to see a doctor or specialist. I can't say I have met one Canadian that has anything good to say about it other than it doesn't cost them anything.

As for school, I don't like the idea of tax payers paying for a personal choice, nor do I like the idea of having tuition just handed out willy nilly for degree's that don't prepare for a useful skill set or career. Also what are the stipulations and rules? I mean everyone has to given the right to "free" tuition no matter if they show promise of graduation or not that would be discriminatory right? What if I want multiple degrees? What if I go to medical school and after 6 years drop out or change my major? What if I go for a semester and bail out? Seems like a risky business for tax payer dollars to be involved. I mean we have social security for retirement which is supposed to be a sure fire thing.. but they way it's going I probably will never get to see it. How does New Zealand their schooling, is there limits or requirements? Is there zero risk for a student as far as, if they don't graduate, they have to pay?

I just don't think giving a country that can't even give us a solid retirement program the right away to provided us with healthcare and higher education is a good idea.

You do have a point, there are certain areas where if you're in need of help from a gp it can take some time, but it just depends on time of day. It's never instant. I have gone in without an appointment multiple times and its taken between 5-20 mins (I've heard of it taking up to an hour). Not that bad, like 1 hour isn't really worth a couple grand to you is it? I imagine you're going to say it's pretty much instant there?

As for the Tuition, you hit it on the head again. It is a personal choice but it gives equal opportunity for everyone to make that personal choice and given the increase in tax you have to pay it really isn't a big deal, I do feel like it's fair. As for the multiple degrees, you're limited by a few factors. You have to actual pass papers or they won't pay. If you start something you have to finish it or they won't pay. You can finish something and start another BUT you are limited to 6 years of study (This can be altered under special conditions, you need to jump through rings etc, they don't just hand it out). Which I feel is fair, anything over that and you're starting to abuse it. You also can't leave the country for more than 6 months. There's limiting factors as to what you have to pay back in order to leave. So you can't just get a degree paid for by the country then fuck off to another.

Them giving you a degree profits them as a country. Country's with low education don't function well, coincidence??

We also have retirement schemes but these are changing.

[TeamHavocRacing]

Kick all the Mexicans out? Really? Blocking out the inner cities? That's a new one.

You certainly can't see the forest for the trees. When he says they're all rapists and drug dealers then says there's probably some good ones, you know what he's thinking since it's clearly telegraphed by his demeanor and anger when talking about the wall etc. Whenever he talks about blacks, all he mentions is the inner cities as if all of them live there then adds that more policing of them is the solution. Real outreach there bro. He's a real people person, so in touch.

[m121c]

Kick all the Mexicans out? Really? Blocking out the inner cities? That's a new one.

You certainly can't see the forest for the trees. When he says they're all rapists and drug dealers then says there's probably some good ones, you know what he's thinking since it's clearly telegraphed by his demeanor and anger when talking about the wall etc. Whenever he talks about blacks, all he mentions is the inner cities as if all of them live there then adds that more policing of them is the solution. Real outreach there bro. He's a real people person, so in touch.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. Their rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Word for word. Do you see the words "all" and "Mexicans"? Are the things he said not true? And if they aren't, then what type of people and what type of stuff are exactly coming over our border? Is there not a drug war across our border? Are illegals not abusing our benefits and are contributing to our country?

What part of that tells you he wants to kick out every Mexican in this country? You're reaching.

[TeamHavocRacing]

Am I really reaching Mason? You're right, I shouldn't have said "all the Mexicans". The only Mexicans Trump really wants left here are his landscapers and his employees. I guess he's already proven how much love and support he has for the hispanic community, as well as black and islamic. He said an American-born Hispanic judge couldn't be impartial because the Donald had insisted on immediately deporting millions of illegals and then making Mexico pay for the wall(as if that would help like the war on drugs did). Maybe he should sue the judge too. That would (naturally) skew any decision made by a hispanic judge. Alicia Machado (Miss Piggy aka. Miss Housekeeping) is Venezuelan and he equates that to just being a Mexican. What a tool. Hey, how about all of those un-endorsements and the women coming forward after his categorical denial about his "locker room banter" being just that? Another time?

[Hi Im Skyqe]

Am I really reaching Mason? You're right, I shouldn't have said "all the Mexicans". The only Mexicans Trump really wants left here are his landscapers and his employees. I guess he's already proven how much love and support he has for the hispanic community, as well as black and islamic. He said an American-born Hispanic judge couldn't be impartial because the Donald had insisted on immediately deporting millions of illegals and then making Mexico pay for the wall(as if that would help like the war on drugs did). Maybe he should sue the judge too. That would (naturally) skew any decision made by a hispanic judge. Alicia Machado (Miss Piggy aka. Miss Housekeeping) is Venezuelan and he equates that to just being a Mexican. What a tool. Hey, how about all of those un-endorsements and the women coming forward after his categorical denial about his "locker room banter" being just that? Another time?

Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words"? People are so hung up on something Trump said in a private conversation many years ago and are completely ignoring the actions of Hillary.

Getting into the race argument. Neither have been angels. Does the term "Taco Bowl Outreach" come to mind or is that off limits because it was meant to stay private? Oh wait a minute...

I swear these two must be running for humanitarian of the year with how upset people are over words. I would be more worried about the actions but hey I'm not American so maybe I am missing something.

All I can say is Trudeau should have kept his mouth shut and not sided with anyone like he did. Guess he had to follow in his fathers footsteps yet again.

[onefoureight]

If you have the time I HIGHLY suggest you read through this.

Either this guy is an uber intelligent troll, or he genuinely works for the FBI.

And the way he words things there's no hint of sarcasm or hyperbole it seems legit.

Scary stuff on Hillary.


https://imgur.com/a/lFHx3#lCQGp3M

[TeamHavocRacing]

I don't run to Hillary's defense, I know that she's no angel. I didn't like her all the way back in the Clinton administration because you could tell she wanted to be in charge. I guess you could say she looked like a bitch. But when you stand her up next to Trump, then it's obvious who's more prepared to deal with foreign partners and enemies alike, amongst other presidential duties. After seeing the vice presidential debate I wish (like a lot of Republicans do) Mike Pence was at the top of the GOP ticket. He actually had some pretty good statements and ideas, but has to toe the party line in defense of his Looney Toon running mate which makes him look insane too, especially after Trump totally threw him under the bus during the last debate and Pence had to suck it up and act like he had no problem with it.