2019 SX Discussion

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby 137 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:34 pm

nickuzick wrote:I was honestly surprised Webb didn’t come in harder. I thought that was the most fair last corner pass in a while. I was still screaming at Webb though


I feel the same, but damn I want Kenny to win so damn bad!!
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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby checkerz » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:15 pm

Phathry25 wrote:
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Using your motorcycle as a weapon to intentionally hurt another rider shouldn’t be tolerated, glad it wasn’t. However, the decsion really makes the AMA look poor in the power department given their history on the matter with other incidents.


Yea...when roles were reversed, nothing happened.

Nothing should have been done beyond MAYBE a fine.

https://exhaust.racerxonline.com/2018/05/11/video-tyler-bowersjustin-barcia-incident-at-las-vegas

Let them race.


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Nah, not my thing. Not drunk either before you ask. In recent memory, I can only think of two riders who have hurt someone with aggressive passes...Barcia twice (Bowers leg and Deans shoulder) and Craig on AMart. None of those that actually resulted in injury were given a DQ or points penalty... but this does?

In 450 SX Bowers doesn’t have half the track record of Barcia either.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby TeamHavocRacing » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 am

Didn't Mike Alessi's legendary drill job on Broc Tickle hit hard enough to injure him?
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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby DBRider251 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:19 am

TeamHavocRacing wrote:Didn't Mike Alessi's legendary drill job on Broc Tickle hit hard enough to injure him?

Pretty sure Tickle missed a couple races after that
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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby checkerz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:15 am

DBRider251 wrote:
TeamHavocRacing wrote:Didn't Mike Alessi's legendary drill job on Broc Tickle hit hard enough to injure him?

Pretty sure Tickle missed a couple races after that

No. Tickle finished 7th in the main that night and Alessi 6th. Alessi was not DQ’d either - $4000 fine and probation. And do we all agree his move was far worse? The inconsistency is the issue.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby Racers52 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:17 am

Last corner, last lap, for a main win. Im sorry but I think anything goes. I wanted Roczen to win but Coop rode amazing

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby KTM57 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:37 am

Alessi clearly should have been DQed back then, too. Bowers hasn't even been smart enough to act like it was an accident or more than aggressive than he intended. He wasn't even turning, and he accelerated directly into the apex of the corner. There are questionably aggressive moves, and there are punts.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby jlv » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:11 am

I liked Webb's nose wheelie running it in on Musquin. That was intense!
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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby checkerz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:13 am

KTM57 wrote:Alessi clearly should have been DQed back then, too. Bowers hasn't even been smart enough to act like it was an accident or more than aggressive than he intended. He wasn't even turning, and he accelerated directly into the apex of the corner. There are questionably aggressive moves, and there are punts.

But he wasn't. And Barcia definitely should have been DQed a few times then too by those standards. But nothing.

The inconsistency is the problem. Bowers didn't cross a line that isn't often crossed, he just suffered penalty for it.

Gallagher has been fucking up calls since the early 2000's when he was the AX referee so this is nothing new.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby m121c » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:48 am

checkerz wrote:
Phathry25 wrote:
checkerz wrote:
Yea...when roles were reversed, nothing happened.

Nothing should have been done beyond MAYBE a fine.

https://exhaust.racerxonline.com/2018/05/11/video-tyler-bowersjustin-barcia-incident-at-las-vegas

Let them race.


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Nah, not my thing. Not drunk either before you ask. In recent memory, I can only think of two riders who have hurt someone with aggressive passes...Barcia twice (Bowers leg and Deans shoulder) and Craig on AMart. None of those that actually resulted in injury were given a DQ or points penalty... but this does?

In 450 SX Bowers doesn’t have half the track record of Barcia either.


Wasn’t the Deano one due to ET way back on 250s?

I see the Barcia vs Bowers Vegas incident different being that Barcia turned and slowed down, he didn’t put his front tire square into Bowers leg trying to take him down (and him) in the process. Dirty yes, unfortunate as well for Bowers getting his leg caught between the frames.

I don’t really like either of them to be clear, and Bowers has a point about the decsion making not being worth a damn. However, if you want the AMA to start drawing a line, they have to start with someone, Bowers is that someone. You can’t point fingers or reference the past and want the AMA to start making these decsions better, and then cry when they start to because it starts with you.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby KTM57 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:09 am

Agreed. Regardless of any call made in the past, malicious targeting of another rider should never be allowed. So long as a new precedent is set regarding safety of riders, I'm not concerned with whether or not this is inconsistent with a previously terrible choice not to DQ Alessi. If someone punts another racer MXS-style next week and doesn't get DQed, then I'll join you in complaining about consistency.

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby Wahlamt » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:05 am

Webb was nice last turn, Roczen should have expected it, cutting down super low... Still glad to see him playing it smart and seemingly getting a full season together.

What happened to the wildness of the early 2000's? Team managers fighting and screaming, riders taking each other out with intentions. Motocross is almost acting like it wants to be politically correct!

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby TeamHavocRacing » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Racers52 wrote:Last corner, last lap, for a main win. Im sorry but I think anything goes. I wanted Roczen to win but Coop rode amazing

That was fine. The issue is with Bowers being DQed from LCQ being inconsistent.
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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby KTM57 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:01 am

Hands down, the best part of the broadcast was that footage of the drunk dude screaming at his television watching last week's race. Also, Ricky telling Ralph "you gotta stop, dude."

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Re: 2019 SX Discussion

Postby dawsonsleeper » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:43 am

KTM57 wrote:Ricky telling Ralph "you gotta stop, dude."

what was the context? i missed that.
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