2016 rF Gaming Pro and Amateur Nationals

[dombeal57]

I'm real on the fence about this pay to play system. I feel like it's a good idea and like fuck we all know you guys deserve a bit of dem cash moneys for the all years of hard work.

But I feel as though you're going the wrong way about it. The idea of pay to play is trash, if I was running the series I'd be way more inclined in a pay to race system.

But what's the difference? The difference is you're targeting the more serious players and the guys who wan't to be a in a professional competition. So it's more of a 'Pay to race rF', and not 'Pay to play Mx simulator'.

So how I'd go about it, is release the track publicly like you have for the last 6 odd years, and then charge how ever much you wan't to race the rF competition.

That way everyone who's not racing gets the track and is happy, and you guys still make a solid amount of dosh from rF.

But all I can see is you guys being overly greedy and trying to charge every single person who want's to play the game, it's a seriously shit way of doing it, and I can understand why the non sweaty try hards are getting salty.

anywho, that's my 2 cents.

YES

[Dunivant25]

Well I know a lot of people would go to the servers for the race, when the tracks were released to the public. Another reason I would think of them doing it this way is to bring more activity to the streamers. I believe that's a great idea.

[mack| spokes]

So how I'd go about it, is release the track publicly like you have for the last 6 odd years, and then charge how ever much you wan't to race the rF competition.

Pretty sure that's what they're doing, it's mentioned somewhere in here. The tracks will just be publicly released at a later date than the people paying to race the series.

Ben means at the same time as people paying to race.

[Wahlamt]

thing is though, This is a butt-fuck to EMF also. To get the track you must be registered with rf. Now that that is now 25$ I see EMF ='s turnouts going way down.

From EMF, we've been notified and had a conversation about this. Early in SX, we wanted to make our own MXGP series, and there's where we are today. rF gently offered us to use the tracks, if we would use their system with the membership. So we've had all the chances in the world to hop on this train, but as I said, we decided to make the MXGP series, since it would be fun to have both major series.

[james31216]

so what about every one who wants the tracks who don't race

[nickuzick]

so what about every one who wants the tracks who don't race

wait until they get released some time after the event

[newmanb138]

Membership paid. Can't wait to not qualify for any events. Lol. But in all seriousness, I am not beginner, nor an expert but I appreciate everything you guys do to keep giving us awesome tracks to play on. Didn't really want to pay, but when you think about all the time and effort that is put in, it makes it seem pretty reasonable honestly. Anyway thanks again rF!!!

[nickuzick]

Just paid up, glad to see something that benefits the work everyone puts in. Thanks for hosting and have an awesome season everyone!

[ROSE822]

Just Paid! Looking forward to see the turnout for this xD

[checkerz]

I'm real on the fence about this pay to play system. I feel like it's a good idea and like fuck we all know you guys deserve a bit of dem cash moneys for the all years of hard work.

But I feel as though you're going the wrong way about it. The idea of pay to play is trash, if I was running the series I'd be way more inclined in a pay to race system.

But what's the difference? The difference is you're targeting the more serious players and the guys who wan't to be a in a professional competition. So it's more of a 'Pay to race rF', and not 'Pay to play Mx simulator'.

So how I'd go about it, is release the track publicly like you have for the last 6 odd years, and then charge how ever much you wan't to race the rF competition.

That way everyone who's not racing gets the track and is happy, and you guys still make a solid amount of dosh from rF.

But all I can see is you guys being overly greedy and trying to charge every single person who want's to play the game, it's a seriously shit way of doing it, and I can understand why the non sweaty try hards are getting salty.

anywho, that's my 2 cents.

Thank you for taking time to type something mature out.

Guys not racing having to pay has nothing to do with greed. If we give away all the tracks free and at same time, nothing stops Joe Blow from hosting the exact same series for free using our hard work.

[nickuzick]

nothing stops Joe Blow from hosting the exact same series for free using our hard work.

Hopefully respect would.

[checkerz]

nothing stops Joe Blow from hosting the exact same series for free using our hard work.

Hopefully respect would.

You're talking about the same community that has ripped nearly every model ever released and constantly bashed the free stuff we were delivering. I don't think respect being our only protection is a good idea.

[InsaneFMX]

Nick, this is sim though.

[Arkady910]

About to start processing memberships, and I see my PM box is full so will try to get to those tonight too. (just updating those who have questions).

A couple other questions answered or quick points...

As others have said, rF is not MX Simulator. When copies of MXS are sold, we do not see that money (though JLV has been very supportive of the organization and has made more than a couple great donations to all of us).

It is too much for us all to handle for free anymore, after over 4 years of doing this for the core group, we can't devote that time for free anymore. It was either this, or no series at all. If you don't want to pay, that is completely okay. Nothing changes for you except in a few months you'll get all the awesome tracks for free. If we didn't do the paid system, you just wouldn't have the tracks or series at all for those who do want to pay.

If someone else would like to donate their time to build a website, build all 12 tracks, organize everything and run a series for free, give away thousands of prizes to competitors (because none of us have time to practice to be good enough to actually win them); no one would be against it and guys would support it if it was as good or better than what we're providing. Sounds ridiculous though when you put it that way doesn't it? But you have people expecting us to continue to do it for free?

We are 100% not screwing EMF and have spoken with them at length prior to making this decision. Our relationship with EMF in my opinion is now better than ever. They support what we're doing, and we are happy to support them as well.

And I know I answered this before, but I will repeat since some guys missed it. To get the tracks the day of release, you will need a membership. A month or more after the event we'll make each round free for download for everyone. If you'd like to support those putting in the work, you may purchase it early even if you don't want to race. If you don't, you are able to wait and get it at a later date.

Wo thank you ckeckerz for these explanations and now I understand what you want to do for the rf events.
But why do you not make a system of pay for event ?
Because, for me, it's the best solution to recover some money, all of the real challenger for the championship will pay all events and if one guy (like me) can't do all these events because he do higker studies in learning he wouldn't pay 25$ to play just for 3 events (for exemples). If you don't want do this you can make someone pay for mid-season and if you don't want do that just explain to me why.

[nickuzick]

nothing stops Joe Blow from hosting the exact same series for free using our hard work.

Hopefully respect would.

You're talking about the same community that has ripped nearly every model ever released and constantly bashed the free stuff we were delivering. I don't think respect being our only protection is a good idea.

I'm not sure if you have answered this in previous posts on the topic but how will you be able to tell who is leaking the tracks? We know it'll happen but how will you be able to circumvent it?