Thoughts? Gov. Shutdown

[christianjonse]

Have friends that work for the gov. And not gettin paid. Any thoughts about this whole crap goin on?

[Phathry25]

Don't work for the government.

[ColtHans]

Don't work for the government.

[model_90]

Don't work for the government.

[Wahlamt]

What's up, fill me in.

[m121c]

What's up, fill me in.

Our government can't agree on budgets for border security, due to two words "physical barrier". The current admin and republicans are requesting 5.7 billion for border security, which includes a large border wall (or expansion thereof, not a full coast to coast wall).

Democrats positions are to have open borders (for the most part), lacked immigration laws, path to citizenship, and a physical barrier is ineffective, immoral, and racist. They advocate for an increase in technology for border security, and say a wall is not only inhumane but out dated.

Republicans positions are exactly as you would think, the complete opposite on all fronts.

Now it's just a political shit throwing storm. Dems don't want the Trump Administration to win and get their "wall" promise, therefore blaming this shutdown on him. Trump is blaming the dems for their inaction and reluctance to negotiate/work. The administration is pressuring the Democrats with the claims they do not care about border security and do not want to work while people aren't paid, and the dems are pressuring the administration with throwing a temper tantrum and shutting the govt down, thus not carry about peoples pay.

Long story short, don't work for the government in a non-essential capacity.

[TeamHavocRacing]

Before...

"I'll totally own this." "If we don't get what we want, one way or the other ... I will shut down the government. Absolutely," he said. "I am proud to shut down the government for border security.".

After...

"It's totally the democrats fault"

Fucking tool.

[m121c]

Perspective Havoc.

Others could see it as him saying he would do it, dems knew this yet failed to make any attempt in negotiation or reason, so Trump follows through as promised. Seems that blame is on dems.

No different when Obama did it... its all their problem really.

[christianjonse]

I think it’s dumb he needs to figure out that Mexico isn’t gonna pay for that wall of his. People are losing homes, can’t pay bills, etc. this is the longest shut down in history and it still shut down. About to go into another civil war or another great drepression.

[DBRider251]

About to go into another civil war

Wouldn't last long. Considering one side is anti-gun and doesn't own any, and one side is literally stockpiling in case the other tries to take them. I see CW2 lasting maybe 2-3 months.

another great drepression.

The economy is thriving right now.

After...

"It's totally the democrats fault"

Trump offered a plan to appease DACA which the democrats rejected. Which flipped the narrative 100% from wanting something for DACA, to hating Trump. The democrats only want the wall not to get funded because Trump suggested it. Being as most democrats were for border security under Obama.

The US budget is $4.407 trillion. He's asking for $5.7 billion for better borders. 0.129% of our budget for better border security. Not to mention it will create jobs by building sections of the wall that need to be built, and adding more border patrol jobs to protect high traffic areas.

[KTM57]

The democrats only want the wall not to get funded because Trump suggested it. Being as most democrats were for border security under Obama.

Border security != expensive wall. There are plenty of things we could be shoving money towards as a country that would actually help people.

[Pumaxcs]

Politics is only an echo chamber of what you believe. I have never seen a discussion where at the end of it someone goes "Oh, I see your valid points and thanks for listening to mine."

The stance on the wall is that its primitive and using technology in hot spots would be better suited than an end to end fence. In every offer turned down by mitch there has been wall money it's just not the number they want.

[DBRider251]

The democrats only want the wall not to get funded because Trump suggested it. Being as most democrats were for border security under Obama.

Border security != expensive wall. There are plenty of things we could be shoving money towards as a country that would actually help people.

Do we though? If we took that 5.7 billion and put it to better the nation, then I'd be all for it. It's squandered in Washington and ends up in politicians pockets. Too bad our country will never do it.

[Pumaxcs]

Good thing we have AOC and her new tax policy will fix all that. Right?

[TeamHavocRacing]

There are plenty of things we could be shoving money towards as a country

I could think of a few out-of-work government employees who could use a paycheck or two of back pay right now to prevent foreclosures, loan defaults and eviction notices for starters. Let's get that giant wall along Canada's border first to stop all the radical Islamic terrorists that certainly pour across that border from the Muslim-Rich big cities in Canada.

Fucking tool. Not you August

Don't work for the government.

Don't work for the government.

Don't work for the government.

So, if a mountain lost a flank and the landslide wipes out your entire existence, just tell the surviving family members that you shouldn't have lived in a valley?