There's plenty of cases where an eagerly anticipated 450 debut fell flat. Savatgy is a recent example as well as Webb until he righted that ship. I can only hope Justin proves his worth even if it's after the fact. Josh has been having the best post-career he could've hoped for. I also hope he can get the confidence and maybe even a little bit of fitness to possibly race his bro if the stars all align next year.
jlv wrote:If it weren't for Havoc I'd have been arguing with the 12 year olds by myself.
Webbs "debut" was very underwhelming I think. Savatgy has been quite good I think, lots of pretty good results. Both Plessinger and Hill got injured, so hard to judge them too much I think.
For once I actually agree with Peter, riders nowadays are focusing more on being better short term, rather than trying to build a better career long term, and as far as the whole suzuki being doo doo, ive ridden a ktm august and them things turn like doo doo, its no wonder they got no 250 titles, that and yamaha has every other manufacturer beat in the 250 class, honda is getting close but i dont know what they put in those star engines but watching them in practice at red bud hitting larrocos from the inside when everyone else had to hit from the outside to clear made it obvious that their bikes are simply better than the rest, and as far as 450's goes at that displacement it becomes less of a horsepower game and more of a handling/chassis feel. I don't think JGR is the worst factory team out there, they've had a black cloud over them for a long time but I really seems like they try their best to make their riders feel at home. If I had to pick a worst 450 out there it would be the yami, i dont what it is but that yam 450 team just seems to be doing everything wrong compared to how there 250 team seemingly does everything right.
Matt your opinion about a bikes handling when you’re that terrible at riding is invalid, please don’t tell me that you actually believe that a stock bike is comparable to a factory bike
tyskorn wrote:WHOA WHOA WHOA. I apologize for Brady's language, everyone.
Historically, like the late 80s and through the 90s Suzuki has always gotten a bum rap. People just calling them a PizzaChet and leaving it at that. Most of what your average dirtbiker claims about inferior or superior brands is like the Ford vs. Chevy thing. Pure politics.
jlv wrote:If it weren't for Havoc I'd have been arguing with the 12 year olds by myself.
Factory teams have the ability to make a Suzuki feel just as good if not better than any other brand if given the opportunities to do so. It's hilarious when someone says "but Suzuki got last in the shootout". Shootouts are irrelevant information for teams and professional riders.
Ddavis wrote:Factory teams have the ability to make a Suzuki feel just as good if not better than any other brand if given the opportunities to do so. It's hilarious when someone says "but Suzuki got last in the shootout". Shootouts are irrelevant information for teams and professional riders.
They don't change the chassis, handling matters no matter what bullshit you put in the engine.
I think back to '18 Tampa. What happened to that Hill? His first 450 race, comes out and gives the top dudes fierce competition. Then never got back to that point.
Lets not forget about Peick either. He did fairly decent on it.