new computer help

[ksmith549]

OK so I'm building a new computer and this is what I have so far
What ya think? Sorry this is my first time building a computer little nervous. lol
I was wondering what motherboard to go with a have no idea. And the rest of the stuff you think I need to complete
Is this good for MX sim. Thanks a lot guys. Sorry I'm sure u heard this question. Million times

Intel i5 3570
Gtx660ti - game card
Corsair 8gb memory

[oneK]

OK so I'm building a new computer and this is what I have so far
What ya think? Sorry this is my first time building a computer little nervous. lol
I was wondering what motherboard to go with a have no idea. And the rest of the stuff you think I need to complete
Is this good for MX sim. Thanks a lot guys. Sorry I'm sure u heard this question. Million times

Intel i5 3570
Gtx660ti - game card
Corsair 8gb memory

when building a gaming pc u have to think more about tomorow than today. meaning u may have to shell out more today to save on future upgrades down the road......take into account what u play, what u plan on playing in the future and go from there.
as far as the mobo goes, if u already know what processor your going to use (looks as if u have choosen one) now just find a mobo in your budget that is compatible with that processor........the i5 3570 is LGA 1155.....so the mobo has to be LGA 1155 as well.
your budget is the very first thing to start with.....then just go off of that.......so far your around $500 with the cpu, gpu and ram......still need a mobo, hdd, psu.

[DBRider251]

I would use AMD not Intel, but thats my preference. Have you bought all that so far?

[g-dub]

I would use AMD not Intel, but thats my preference. Have you bought all that so far?

Wow. Clearly you have no idea. Intel crush AMD. Check cpuboss.com

[Lynch]

I would use AMD not Intel, but thats my preference. Have you bought all that so far?

[Xtrem]

What games will you play in the future? Interested in Titan Fall? How about Battlefield 4? What about games that haven't even been released yet? These are things to think about when building a new PC. The worst thing to happen to a PC gamer is having a new game release and NOT being able to play it due to your rig being inferior.

The i5 should be fine but I would compare prices first with some of the AMD FX line to make sure your getting the best bang for your buck. Some of the FX 4 and 6 core cpu's are in fact better than the lower Intel chips... and cost less. I can tell you that the Ivy Bridge 3570 your looking at is more expensive than the AMD FX 8350 ... A CPU that it can't even compare to in benchmarks. ( Sorry g-dub)

After you spend the extra money on the 1155 motherboard and CPU you have spent at least 25% more on those parts than you would on the 8350 plus motherboard. Don't believe me? Check Newegg.com for a good base price to go off. Here i'll break it down for you.


INTEL
$209.00 Intel i5-3570 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115233
$119.00 Asus Z77 Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131824
Total- $328.00

AMD
$199.00 AMD FX 8350 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113284
$69.99 MSI 970 Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813130679
Total - $268.00

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx- ... 328-8.html <--- Read this In most of those benchmarks the 8350 not only beats the 3570 but competes with its big brother the 3770k.

And since your saving money on the CPU/Motherboard I would recommend spending that saved money on this....

$249.00 Asus GTX 760 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814121775
The 660 Ti would run you about $200 so take the saved cpu/mobo money which should be around $50.00 and put it into your graphics card budget.

Memory will run you around $70-$85 for an 8Gb dual channel kit of DDR3 1866. (Don't go lower than this or you will be reducing your CPU's performance)

I recommend... G.Skill - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820231455

[g-dub]

Hmm...
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3 ... MD-FX-8350
I personally play a lot of games and use my comp for music production.. Plus I'm a big arma guy which everyone knows runs way better on intel than AMD. So the intel favours me. I just think you can't go far wrong if you get an Intel chip.

[Xtrem]

CPUBoss isn't a good resource for information about real world performance. They take generic benchmarks performed by other sites and compile it on their own. tomshardware.com or techpowerup.com are much more reliable sources for pre-purchasing information. They actually run the test themselves and give you the business about what they find and break it all down for you in black and white and give a solid recommendation of the component they are reviewing.

Cpuboss just takes basic stats that can be found almost anywhere and rehashes them to death. Then they have this niftly little site script that compiles those stats versus any other component which gives nice little percentage differences.

Like I said... not real world test or data.


Use what you like for information... But after almost 20 years configuring gaming systems I can pretty much tell what is bullshit and what is genuine information.


And just to show that I'm not some "AMD FANBOY" let me link you to my current system.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7995289

[g-dub]

Wow.. Amazing! Xtrem can I pm you some stuff?

[Xtrem]

sure

[FlyinHigh]

get a haswell i5 (4670) and don;t listen to the poeple saying use AMD, because specifically for this game it only uses one cpu core. intel has bigger better cores however it only has 4 (but now they have hyperthreading on the haswells). And has some smaller cores but more than intel, so it evens out the load more on the cpu as a whole. Now for other games they are pretty close by AMD has still failed to deliver a processor thats straight up faster than an i5 4670k. And intel still has their i7 4770k which destroys the i5. Also lga 1155 socket mobo's are now more expensive than lga 1150 (z87/haswell series). For a gpu, get a 760 its faster, and the same price, plus the 660ti's are harder to find now since nvidia no longer makes them. For ram get some 1866mhz 8gb (2 sticks) for now and you can upgrade in the future if you want to, but for now it's not needed. My personal preference is corsair dominator ram but thats probably way out of your price range and if I were you I would get either corsair vengeance or gskill ripjaw's. Also if you're going to choose a 4th gen haswell i5 as well i'd recommend the msi g45 if you want to save some money there without sacrificing any quality. Now you could use the stock air cooler but if you plan to do any overclocking I recommend getting a corsair h100i or nzxt kraken x60 liquid cooler. For everything I just mentioned minus the liquid cooler its a little under $700 but that would allow you to play anything you desire maxed out. Now the 760 would be a little on the weaker side but is a great budget gpu and will run most anything just fine. For a psu you'd want something like the cx750m if you want to save a little money. It is more than needed but you always want to build with breathing room to save money in the future.

[Xtrem]

get a haswell i5 (4670) and don;t listen to the poeple saying use AMD, because specifically for this game it only uses one cpu core. intel has bigger better cores however it only has 4 (but now they have hyperthreading on the haswells). And has some smaller cores but more than intel, so it evens out the load more on the cpu as a whole. Now for other games they are pretty close by AMD has still failed to deliver a processor thats straight up faster than an i5 4670k. And intel still has their i7 4770k which destroys the i5. Also lga 1155 socket mobo's are now more expensive than lga 1150 (z87/haswell series). For a gpu, get a 760 its faster, and the same price, plus the 660ti's are harder to find now since nvidia no longer makes them. For ram get some 1866mhz 8gb (2 sticks) for now and you can upgrade in the future if you want to, but for now it's not needed. My personal preference is corsair dominator ram but thats probably way out of your price range and if I were you I would get either corsair vengeance or gskill ripjaw's. Also if you're going to choose a 4th gen haswell i5 as well i'd recommend the msi g45 if you want to save some money there without sacrificing any quality. Now you could use the stock air cooler but if you plan to do any overclocking I recommend getting a corsair h100i or nzxt kraken x60 liquid cooler. For everything I just mentioned minus the liquid cooler its a little under $700 but that would allow you to play anything you desire maxed out. Now the 760 would be a little on the weaker side but is a great budget gpu and will run most anything just fine. For a psu you'd want something like the cx750m if you want to save a little money. It is more than needed but you always want to build with breathing room to save money in the future.

Enter the fanboy.....


You can't just assume he has the budget for a Haswell setup... The 4670k is well over 200 dollars and the G45 is over 100... I know because I have one paired with a 4770k. The 8350 competes with the 4670k in all benchmarks... and while it may not "destroy" the 4670 it can however perform the task at hand just fine for less money. And Hyperthreading has been around since about 2004. And I don't believe the 4670 even has hyperthreading... I may be wrong on that... I haven't looked at the 4670 that much to remember. Asfar as the video card goes the GTX 760 is actually more powerful than the 660Ti. The 760 is really a 670 rebadged and cost about the same as the 660Ti if he could find one.

If however he has the budget then yes.. the 4670k is a wise choice over the 8350. Also he could get away with a 600 watt Powersupply with only a 760 and 4670 which would save him some more cash. Overkill isn't a good idea if your on a tight budget which from the sound of it he is seeing as how he was looing at the older i5.

[Pumaxcs]

So far, I'm agreeing with everything Xtrem said (he also said he accepts PM's! +1! Not that I'm upset but other opinions when it comes to PC's is always a plus.) and for a budget gaming build an AMD CPU is nothing to be upset with. It may not be better than Intel and it may run hotter but to someone looking for the cheapest option AMD will work. I recently just switched from AMD to Intel but I can't say I switched because my old CPU was holding me back. Suggesting watercoolers to a guy that isn't sure what kind of motherboard to get is also a little overboard. The 760 for current gen games is an awesome choice, hard to tell how anything will perform on next gen but my 560's were still kicking when I upgraded so nVidia knows how to use drivers to their advantage. This thread was kind of highjacked from the attention of your PC and more into the reasoning but if you can read up on the comments its all useful info towards decesions. For my opinion though, having no knowledge of your budget, get a AMD FX8 CPU, $100-150 MB, GTX 760, 8GB RAM, and a good case. The only thing I believe you should not skimp on for any reason is a good case, my first build has some cheap $20 case and after 2 months I hated it. Get one that has good cable management system, cooling options, design you like, etc. The case is something you should be able to keep through multiple upgrades and even though it is something so simple it can really change the whole build.

[Xtrem]

I used the same case for TEN YEARS. Its one of the only components that you can transfer to every build over the course of several years that will not effect your systems performance. You can get a decent case with a lot of features for around 100 dollars that will house every build you chose to slap together over the next decade as long as the PC standard platform format doesn't change which it hasn't in over 20 years.

What you really have to think about is the fact that a system built to run Mx Simulator doesn't have to be a supercomputer by no means. The game was originally built in or around 2007 and even though JLV has improved it 10 times over the same basic core of the game is the same. The same hardware that was around in 2007 will still run this game today. That being said just about ANY of todays tech will run this game with no problems what so ever. Take a game like Battlefield 2 for instance. That game required a lot of people to build a new PC to run back in 2004 due to its requirements on memory throughput from the graphics card (most people still used AGP slots and PCIe was just taking flight.) and a lot of the older AGP cards couldn't handle the frostbite engine. Fast forward to now and run that same game on a haswell or Vishera core based system and you can max out everything in the game and run a 64 player karkand battle with not even a hic-up. Same goes with Crysis.... Todays tech will run that game.... one that was once used for the standard in PC benchmark ... at 100% full maxed graphics with no problems. So for the original posters question.... I agree with Puma whom agreed with me.... an AMD based system will run Simulator just fine if you need to save some cash. If money isn't an issue then go for an Intel build.