MX Simulator

So, i just wanted to address something. It seems like in the past few months, something has been changing in the MXS community at an alarming rate. This would be people wanting $$$$ for their work. While im not saying that some things that are released (i.e Jays KTM/ Upcoming Kawasaki) etc. are worthless, because theyre not, theyre amazing works of art, but i think this is something that is a slippery slope, and may kill the very thing that makes this game so special. Ive been playing this game about 7 years (UID 321) and this whole "pay for my stuff" is new to me. At the rate that people are demanding money for their models, skins, tracks etc. how long will it be before we are all paying entry fees to race? What happened to making things for the community, just because you were stoked to see people using/ riding the the things that you created? I understand that their are people in the community taking advantage (stealing/ ripping) peoples work, but didnt you start making things for this game because you loved the game and wanted people to be stoked on what you made? I doubt any creator for this game started thinking "im gonna make money". Just personally, i think this game has come as far as it has, because of people like Attacker, Checkers, Barrington, Sween, Conceptgraff, P2sta, and the the others that selflessly put in hard work to give the rest of us a greater game to play. Personally, i would rather see people release nothing than try to charge for it, because that just provokes more and more people to charge for everything. What do you think.

Norcal_51 wrote:What happened to making things for the community, just because you were stoked to see people using/ riding the the things that you created?

I completely agree Chris. I was actually talking to my brother about this earlier because we both played a lot of MX vs ATV Unleashed where people would release their tracks, skins, physics, etc just to improve the game. I feel ashamed for the people making posts in the models and skins thread saying "I'll pay $20 for someone to put name and number on my gear".. NO!! That's not what it should be about, it should be about doing good deeds for the sake of the community and not being greedy. I've discussed it with other racers and if you are sticking around the community and make gear/models for the "money" and not the passion of having fun hobbies, then you shouldn't stick around very long. Nice post btw

Thanks man! Yea, and there is the total opposite, where guys like you, And Dead Meat etc. not only put in the time, but pay out of "your" own pocket to do things like make and send out #1 plates. So it's good to see some people on here still just love the game that much!

Honestly I think people are too stuck on this "charge for this charge for that" bs. None of it is what makes this game what it is... I mean don't get me wrong ya it's definitely a big part, but is a new bike model going to keep things thriving or is a supercross series?

Maybe some people should think about that last question before they have something rude or disrespectful to say to the people who put countless amount of time into making the community better. If you are thinking I am talking about modelers I'm not, it's definately rF. Without them this game would have been done a lllooonnggg time ago. No amount of new models free or not, source files or not, would change that.

Continually dragging on this money topic for no reason and slandering particular creators for their opinions is doing nothing but make them justify their decisions or making them resent the community even more. They will figure out it won't work eventually. Everyone is just wasting their time typing topic after topic for something that hasn't even really happened yet.

To much of "your opinion is wrong" around here. I've made my final post on the subject.

I agree that rF has been everything to this game! I know that me and so many other people play the game as much as we do is to try and have a good season on rF, and rF probably brings many of the new people that join the game because of the realist aspect and competition it provides, and if i was to pay for anything for this game it would probably a few bucks an annual rF license for them to stick around, if it ever came to that. And im not bagging on any of the creators, just saying that this new trend is a slippery slope, and if theyre only charging money because they resent the community, then they should probably just move on.

Did this really need a new topic?

Norcal_51 wrote:What happened to making things for the community, just because you were stoked to see people using/ riding the the things that you created? I understand that their are people in the community taking advantage (stealing/ ripping) peoples work, but didnt you start making things for this game because you loved the game and wanted people to be stoked on what you made?

I, and I am sure almost every other creator you are grouping as sellers, started making shit simply because we wanted to make it for ourselves. Like have you honestly ever sat down and thought "You know what, I'm gonna sink 10+ hours of work into this project for a bunch of people in a video game that probably won't even thank me for it"? No? Didn't think so.

I remember when people did that without asking for money, O'Hagan. I'd have people make my team multiple sets of gear, bike graphics, renders, all for free. Nowadays, a poor kid will want his name added to his gear and people will ask for money. I think Chris and I aren't targeting people like yourself who put hundreds of hours into modeling and gear designing, but for the people who want money given to them for ANYTHING! Even a 20 minute shit track they made in the editor, but charge kids money just to have a "private track" of their own.

Norcal_51 wrote:people wanting $$$$ for their work

Seriously think about how different this community used to be and ask yourself this question...

Has there also been a shift in how people react to free content?

While I have not been around as long as you, I have noticed a shift. People are no longer appreciative of what people contribute and it is a gimme gimme atmosphere. That is what will kill this community and that is what is pushing people away from giving away content. I'm sure that Mason and Jay would be happy to give their bikes out to a few of their friends and let everyone else drool over them without ever getting their hands on them. I'm not sure what Jay is going to do with his but Mason is planning to release his publicly once teams have locked in their bikes for SX. I think that is a fair thing for him to want to do with HIS model. Whats the alternative? Only a select number of people get to use it forever? How is that better?

As far as paying for putting name/number on gear/bikes. If people are too lazy to learn how to do it themselves then they deserve to pay money. Its really not that hard and the software is free and people have been nice enough to give out templates to make it easy. If they are willing to waste their money who cares?

Ask yourself this.
When you first got here, what was the community? Full of people that shared there stuff, stuff got ripped and people left.
Then it changed too people that made stuff and then kept it private for there teams.
Then newer generations of younger more spoilt kids came in and ripped more and more.
Now it's to the point were almost everything is private and what isn't private is sold.
Will the community get worse? It has been getting worse since it was created, almost every year it gets worse and worse.

This community is Global warming. Until an ice age hits, it'll just get worse. So to answer your question, yes I have noticed. Can I fix it? No. Do I sell stuff, once or twice I did some custom graphics for a friend. I've personally helped around 100 people learn how to model or skin in some way, over pm or skype/ts. And I've made videos teaching people this stuff into the 1000's.

I get the change, but can it be helped? That's the real question.

I knew this reminded me of something...

Steve-O has a good point. I think, when it comes to content creators wanting money, it's all about ripping. No one wants to make something and then have it be used by an unauthorized user. And, unfortunately, it seems like the only way to get by this is to start making people pay. People will either pay, leave, use old models, or learn to model their own shit. I, personally, feel that this community could easily use a little "plague," if you will. Some of this community honestly feels almost cancerous to the rest of the people around here. Devin also brings up a good point. People like Mason, Jay, the rF boys, etc. deserve to ask for money. People like John Lillywhite who ask for money for renders that are meh at best do not deserve that money. #2Cents

mxsrider96 wrote:Steve-O has a good point. I think, when it comes to content creators wanting money, it's all about ripping. No one wants to make something and then have it be used by an unauthorized user.

THAT IS WHY SOMEONE BEGGED JLV TO SPEND HIS TIME MAKING SCRAM FILES!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU JUST RELEASE YOUR CRAP TO EVERYONE, ALL AT ONCE, FOR FREE THERE IS NOTHING TO RIPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This topic totally needed another thread so I could rant some more!

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Norcal_51 wrote:I agree that rF has been everything to this game! I know that me and so many other people play the game as much as we do is to try and have a good season on rF, and rF probably brings many of the new people that join the game because of the realist aspect and competition it provides, and if i was to pay for anything for this game it would probably a few bucks an annual rF license for them to stick around, if it ever came to that.

Why wait until it is mandatory? Why not donate rF a few dollars or match whatever you spend on models to what you donate to the rF guys? rF not only is spending their time, but it costs money to host the site. Wheels doesn't have the freedom to work on his projects whenever it is convenient, he has to set aside a certain evening nearly every week for 29 weeks of the year or more to host races. I think people also forget, if it wasn't for the rF team organizing the creation and completion (nearly on time weekly) then not only would rF not exist but neither would EMF!

I'd recommend heading over to the suggestion box. More ranting and a few good points on this topic there.

Just made a donation to rF And I did not create this topic to rage, just thought it should be pointed out. I've seen people taking other people's work, spending 10 minutes on it, and trying to get paid for it.