steering at very low speed

[craigallen111]

i know this has been posted before many times but i still don't understand how this low speed steering is realistic at all, i know for a fact that on my motorbike at low speed at least when i want to turn left i turn my handlebars left. i understand on a flat turn at high speed sure you turn inside out because you are sliding and at speed the game makes perfect sense so why is it that when i stack on a hill i have to behave like an unco (turn left then speed up then switch to right to turn right) to get up the damn thing. can this not easily be switched so when you turn at low speed it does what it should?
can somebody please explain this to me or at least explain to me where i should have posted this so i can get some answers?

[yomo]

yeah i know its kinda frustrating but i suppose u just get used to it i
Im not really sure as to the reason for the steering at low speeds, maybe hard to code or something? but i really don't know.

Also maybe a good place to post would be in the game suggestion thread, or in a thread that already has mentioned the slow steering. But don't worry about making the occasional new post, as long as you don't spam and they are a legitimate questions or comments. (unlike some 9 year olds we have had running around here previously )

[frederick]

well one reason( i think) is that when going at high speeds and then turning, the rider Leans his bike, he doesnt turn it.

[wakestyle21]

The reason for this is because JLV programmed the physics as though steering the handlebars is the only rider input. If this was the case in real life then the physics would be correct because when you are going slow you would turn right to go right and left to go left but at speed you would turn the bars in the opposite direction (left to go right and right to go left). The problem with this is in reality the rider leans the bike over the way he wants to turn which imo is the way this game should look at it because it would be a lot more intuitive and a lot more predictable. I'm hoping JLV still plans on changing this when rider lean is implemented but I’m not sure. Some people will tell you to get used to it but I still think it is flawed.

[jlv]

i know for a fact that on my motorbike at low speed at least when i want to turn left i turn my handlebars left.

Try it! Ride along slowly, look down at the bars, turn them to the left and hold it as long as you can.

There's a wikipedia article about it if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

[Pumaxcs]

lmao wikipedia has everything

[craigallen111]

hey everybody thanks for the quick response

I think i understand how the game works now (correct me if i'm wrong) so when you want to turn left you actually are turning the handlebars slightly to the right which leans the bike left and begins the turn... :\ right?

in response to jlv: last time i went out to the track for a practice day i was going slowly round the car park doing full lock turns to better my balance (turning handlebars full lock left and turning left round and round) so i'm not sure what you mean by try it and see what happens.

btw i only just bought the game a couple of days ago and love it but i am still just getting used to it so this is why i am asking all these newbie questions, im sure ill get used to the game and not stack so much so i wont be going slow enough to even think about this minor issue with a bit more practice.

edit: i just had a look at the countersteering section on wiki and it makes sense its just confusing when you are stopped and want to turn hard straight away the bars turn the opposite way if u just sit there waiting for the bars to go round before you get moving.

[jlv]

I think i understand how the game works now (correct me if i'm wrong) so when you want to turn left you actually are turning the handlebars slightly to the right which leans the bike left and begins the turn... :\ right?

That's pretty much it.

in response to jlv: last time i went out to the track for a practice day i was going slowly round the car park doing full lock turns to better my balance (turning handlebars full lock left and turning left round and round) so i'm not sure what you mean by try it and see what happens.

Before you get to full lock you have to turn the opposite way to initiate the lean. Once the lean is started you have to turn back into it to keep it from falling over. But initially you have to turn the bars away from the turn to get it leaning that way.

You might want to try turning off "dab when stopped" under "bike setup". Without the rider automatically putting his feet down you can even do those full lock 360's.

[cpt_Slow]

i notice that when direct steering is taken down to 0, the rider leans his bike rather than turns his handlebars, would it be possible to have this action on the main steering, then assign the turning handlebars to different controls. I'm not sure if this would make it too difficult to control in game though due to too many controls It seems as though it would make it seriously realistic

[checkerz]

This is something that also drives me nuts. It is my opinion that with something like this reality may need to take a backseat to gameplay. It won't effect the good riders cuz they wont' be going that slow, but noob players who really suck like myself might be able to make it around a lap with this fixed (or changed if you dont' want to call it broken since physics are on your side).

This is also really comes into play after a big crash and I'm sitting sideways on the track. Many times it'll take me a REALLY long time just to get back going down the track in the right direction because of the low speed and stopped steering. Then I fall over and wait forever again for him to get back up... just gets a bit on the frustrating side. Games should be fun, not constant frustration!!

The other related suggestion would be at speeds below "X", the rider won't fall over in a corner. Again, this won't effect that guys going fast, but will just help the noooob players like myself not fall over everytime I try and get around a corner.

Also... turning radius. Shouldn't the bikes turning radius be drastically reduced when going the pace of a crawl? It feels like I'm turning a semi even when I'm going super slow.

I hope you can keep working forward, keep your end goal of a simulator, and keep the challenge, but at the same time allow guys who aren't so good to pick up the game and play it and enjoy it.

[wakestyle21]

I agree. This needs to be changed even if its not realistic in your eyes. Like I've said before there are far more inputs in real life than just turning the handlebars. IMO you need to make it so when the user pushes right the rider does everything he needs to do to turn the bike to the right.

[jlv]

i notice that when direct steering is taken down to 0, the rider leans his bike rather than turns his handlebars, would it be possible to have this action on the main steering, then assign the turning handlebars to different controls. I'm not sure if this would make it too difficult to control in game though due to too many controls It seems as though it would make it seriously realistic

That would be pretty much like setting direct steering to .5. When it's 0 the steering force is chosen by the computer to achieve the desired lean. When it's 1 the steering force is directly set by the player. When it's between 0 and 1 it will interpolate between the 2 possible forces.

The other related suggestion would be at speeds below "X", the rider won't fall over in a corner. Again, this won't effect that guys going fast, but will just help the noooob players like myself not fall over everytime I try and get around a corner.

I can raise the maximum dab speed. It's set to 15 feet/second right now (about 10 mph). I'll try some higher values and see how it works.

What stability setting are you running?

[checkerz]

I have been trying to play at a stability setting of 90-95 because it's the only way i can stay upright.

What I find really difficult is after I make a mistake and am sideways on the track, I want to be able to turn sharp to get back going the correct direction and the steering is way off, then i'll fall over multiple times b.c the steering goes from right to left, many times I'll hit edge track stuff, and ultimately it's a very frustrating cycle.

I keep trying and slowly get better at this game, but I can't go very long without getting frustrated and closing it.

[spencerproracer]

85 stab