Stop SOPA before it ruins the web

[JB323]

i just wanna point out and remind this happens tonight/tmmrw, well it gets voted again at least.




hopefully to god it does not pass, but eventually down the road i feel it will until a revolution happens. 1st amendment is nothing without the 2nd amendment supporting it










p.s should check on homepage on TPB lol

[Jones221]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... w6GtwOvnWM#!

[rideblue56]

i just wanna point out and remind this happens tonight/tmmrw, well it gets voted again at least.

Just got postponed until after the winter recess.

[JB323]

BUMPING in support of the blackouts today...



you know were all eff'd if this passes, not even touching the aftermarket things everyone puts in time on for skins and models. Say goodbye to youtube also.











the 1st amendment means nothing without the support of the 2nd.... just sayinnnnnn.

[Jones221]

Well President Obama does not support it, so this can get vetoed. Then the 2/3's vote right? There is a good chance this won't happen..

[Lolerbabop]

I say we let it happen, the interent gets "ruined", these suckers get most of the world against them.

[Voutare]

Yall are retarded.

[Jones221]

Yall are retarded.

And now we all eagerly wait for 1000 links from Voutare.

[Voutare]

Not 1000 links, just what my opinion is.


And here it goes:

SOPA stands for Stop Internet Piracy Act. Essentially it is oriented toward torrent websites and illegal websites hosting such downloads. That being said, SOPA is specifically designed to shut down websites which host these illegal links and media items. Case in point? Don't host websites that are illegal. Don't put links on your website which are illegal. Don't do anything that's illegal on the internet.


Wikipedia, for instance would be affected, but not in any sort of way that 'censorship' entails. There are links and articles on Wikipedia directly relating to piracy. Wikipedia would need to remove the links, and remove the possibility for advertisement of these websites. They wouldn't be specifically hurt by it, it would just be more of a temporary issue. In the long term, this would benefit way more than it hurts. Think of the illegal torrent business that hurts businesses. It hurts musicians, game studios, movie studios, indie markets, and even JLV. I don't know if any of you guys have looked, but go on google and type in "MX Simulator torrent", and I'm sure you'll find a way to get the game illegally. I.E. Not paying JLV for his hard work. Wouldn't you prefer if those thousands of people actually paid up?

So what actually is your issue with this act? The fact that they are 'censoring' you? Well think of it this way: They aren't. What the U.S. Government would do in terms of foreign sites is block them completely. You may think that's terrible, but all they need to do is get rid of the illegal shit and they're fine. Don't post links to shit that is already illegal. Essentially, what we have now, on January 18, 2012, is that the user is the one who is at fault for downloading illegal stuff. What this law intends to do is not to change what is illegal, but broaden the people liable for the piracy. Instead of targeting consumers (which isn't done due to the magnitude), they will target the distributors. Shut it down where it starts.

So, that being said, what is everyones honest to god, 100% fact gripes about SOPA? Don't rehash the standard ass shit about them stopping the internet. I want facts, which you all can prove make it bad. Not just a temporary nuisance, but straight up detrimental to the internet. And if you say it's because you want to pirate shit, stfu.

[JB323]

SOPA is not the issue... its just a coverup for the real scheme. This is nothing more then a fight between hollywood paying off congress to get after Sweden and other countries where USA rules do not apply, because there bitchy that they cant sue em or do anything LEGALLY. There just hiding these acts with sympathy trips about how it will create more jobs etc so people agree with it because of the noneducational logic of people.

1/5 of the people are worried about torrents, lets not all play pretend we all do it from software to games to music to movies and even shows, this is the problem that wants to be fixed but the law is loosely written, basically this will hide another act that allows the gov to take away DNS names aka http://www.govsucksd.com and only way around is to direct IP to it. basically how we join servers on mxsim.

4/5 PEOPLE are concern because this law because its Prohibiting the right to free speech and expression. Basically everyone who have created skins and models could be fined and face jail. A huge amount of people on youtube with videos posted to songs... FINED/JAIL etc. Its going to kill the economy even more and waste stupid tax dollars for billionaires to increase profits. Banks already are in the shit and its going to kill off grants and loans for new ideas. The internet CANNOT and SHOULD not be controlled with the USA trying to lead its foot through the door while being a hypocritical fuck because that's exactly why the U.S was founded on. Go look at whats going on in china and NK all those people are crying because their crazy leader died because everything was limited in their country, That is the issue not who downloading batman begins.

your 100% wrong on Wikipedia, Wikipedia just like the internet is comprised of just people connected to each other. The issue is that these are all submitted posts edited by the public, aka the reason why schools and teachers wont ALLOW you to use them for citing. The kicker, if passed everyone who has wrote information on there now faces penalties and the website on top of loosing funding to operate. This is about liberty and freedoms not about some bs pirating game its all a coverup just like everything with our government.

Remember when the lead act was passed last year ? Took almost 6 months to get fixed and you couldnt buy a child a dirtbike or quad, same exact concept the laws are to loose and will affect a SHIT lot more then anyone imagines.

Oh yeah Obama let a law pass where any citizen in the US can be detain and your rights stripped of you and have no due process. Ironically this gets passed before SOPA & PIPA ?! you idiots all need to wake the fuck up, this is just a big scheme for something much worse.



I truly feel bad for you people out east with all your gun laws, you have a huge principal on which your country was founded upon and majority of the east coast cant even own & let alone carry a firearm without breaking laws. You wanna know why Arizona doesn't have riots, our state has preserved and admires the 2nd amendment thankfully. The 2nd amendment is the teeth to the first amendment just as this veteran said. Once you take away that, anyone can trample over you.




Shits gunna hit the fan sooner then we all expect. Its bound to happen, its just the nature of history.

[Voutare]

SOPA is not the issue... its just a coverup for the real scheme. This is nothing more then a fight between hollywood paying off congress to get after Sweden and other countries where USA rules do not apply, because there bitchy that they cant sue em or do anything LEGALLY. There just hiding these acts with sympathy trips about how it will create more jobs etc so people agree with it because of the noneducational logic of people.

And what exactly is wrong about that? The massive industry that is media is being leached off of by some lazy and cheap people. Every single one of us knows people who work for this industry for pay, and that pay is reduced every single time someone torrents. I expect you would know this considering you've probably gotten compensation for filming you have done for Vurb Moto. Think of it this way: If 1/100 people that watched the new Harry Potter movie, in it's total revenue of $1.3 billion, torrented it, thats $13 million off of a movie lost. Think about that. $13 million dollars that could have been divided up between the thousands and thousands of average joes that worked on that film.

1/5 of the people are worried about torrents, lets not all play pretend we all do it from software to games to music to movies and even shows, this is the problem that wants to be fixed but the law is loosely written, basically this will hide another act that allows the gov to take away DNS names aka http://www.govsucksd.com and only way around is to direct IP to it. basically how we join servers on mxsim.

So your saying that because "we all do it" that makes it right? Sure, by that nature, every single person in the Medellin Cartel is perfectly innocent because it's just 'What we do." That's shitty logic. Illegal means illegal, and that's mob rule, and we all know that mob rule doesn't work.

This law will contribute to end online piracy. And what's your point on the DNS? The bill hasn't even made it out of congress, and it's already had one revision done in closing up loopholes. For instance: "Although rendering it discretionary (Secs.102(c)(2)(A-E); 103(c)(2)(A-B)), the new bill would still allow for serious security risks to our communications and national infrastructure. The bill no longer mandates DNS blocking but still allows it as an option." I don't care if they block DNS, because they're illegal websites by US standards already. Why should we have access to them? That's like saying you want to use cocaine and your mad because your dealer has been put in jail. That's the point. To stop access to US consumers.

4/5 PEOPLE are concern because this law because its Prohibiting the right to free speech and expression. Basically everyone who have created skins and models could be fined and face jail. A huge amount of people on youtube with videos posted to songs... FINED/JAIL etc. Its going to kill the economy even more and waste stupid tax dollars for billionaires to increase profits. Banks already are in the shit and its going to kill off grants and loans for new ideas. The internet CANNOT and SHOULD not be controlled with the USA trying to lead its foot through the door while being a hypocritical fuck because that's exactly why the U.S was founded on. Go look at whats going on in china and NK all those people are crying because their crazy leader died because everything was limited in their country, That is the issue not who downloading batman begins.

First of all, putting me in jail for releasing Southwick is extremely frivolous, so don't even try that argument. Second, everything you said is licensed. The music that is on youtube is licensed. You are unable to put illegal/unlicensed work on Youtube. You seriously think Youtube would allow that? No. We already had to deal with this shit two years ago with them shutting down the audio on videos, so that argument is invalid too. And you can't honestly think that they would jail someone for putting Lady Gaga on youtube do you? Also, how would it kill the economy? In what way? The fact that the country is STEALING from legitimate businesses? You honestly think that if you had the right to walk into a grocery store and take whatever you want for no charge, that is better for that business than paying? Come on man. It's economics, and it's obvious that the private sector of this country is losing way more money to piracy than it would ever spend on enforcing anti-piracy measures. Think of it this way: More revenue for private sector = more taxes paid to the government. So your wrong on that too. I'm confused into what "Banks already are in the shit and its going to kill off grants and loans for new ideas." means. Please clarify. Are you implying that somehow a lack of piracy would end grants and loans to R&D?

In regards to calling the USA like NK, come on. Be realistic. At least read the bill and understand what it can and can't do. Do you not understand that SOPA needs to follow the EXACT same laws as before? You think that somehow they will just be able to magically infringe upon your rights as an American citizen after thousands of laws have been written before this explicitly saying they can't? You think that this is going to allow the country to just do whatever that want with your digital property? No. Because we have prior laws, as well as the Constitution, and the bill of rights. Those articles state that if you are doing something illegal then the government has the right to end it. If your not doing anything illegal than don't worry.

your 100% wrong on Wikipedia, Wikipedia just like the internet is comprised of just people connected to each other. The issue is that these are all submitted posts edited by the public, aka the reason why schools and teachers wont ALLOW you to use them for citing. The kicker, if passed everyone who has wrote information on there now faces penalties and the website on top of loosing funding to operate. This is about liberty and freedoms not about some bs pirating game its all a coverup just like everything with our government.

First off, remember that Wikipedia is a domestically owned and operated website. They are not obligated to work under the same legislation that operates foreign websites.
What you are saying is that if I posted a link to a movie torrent on Wikipedia, the entire site would be blacked out? Does the bill allow that to happen? Yes it does. Does it also EXPLICITLY state that it would not use that under extreme cases? Well, funny thing, it does. The bill would send a court order to the website telling them that they have censored the information, and until it is removed, it will remain that way. Unless under a DNS, the only issue here is the nuisance of going through and deleting the illegal items. A DNS would censor the entire site. Eliminating everything from US ISP's. This is what would be used on websites like PirateBay or whatever else.

Remember when the lead act was passed last year ? Took almost 6 months to get fixed and you couldnt buy a child a dirtbike or quad, same exact concept the laws are to loose and will affect a SHIT lot more then anyone imagines.

I'm not so sure you understood that right. The bill was passed, but they placed a hold on the section outlining OFV's. Essentially it passed the rest of the bill, with that portion on hold until further legislation could be determined on it. It was still legal to buy and operate kids bikes, it just needed to be corrected and amended into law.

Oh yeah Obama let a law pass where any citizen in the US can be detain and your rights stripped of you and have no due process. Ironically this gets passed before SOPA & PIPA ?! you idiots all need to wake the fuck up, this is just a big scheme for something much worse.

I believe you were backing the law Arizona passed regarding illegal immigration and being able to do random checks for legal I.D.? Were do you stand on human rights? The fact that you can be unlawfully searched, but at the same time you can't be unlawfully detained (US citizen or not, everyone here has the same rights unless they are a convicted felon.) So case in point, your flip-flopping.

I truly feel bad for you people out east with all your gun laws, you have a huge principal on which your country was founded upon and majority of the east coast cant even own & let alone carry a firearm without breaking laws. You wanna know why Arizona doesn't have riots, our state has preserved and admires the 2nd amendment thankfully. The 2nd amendment is the teeth to the first amendment just as this veteran said. Once you take away that, anyone can trample over you.

Yes, because Vermont was one of the first states with a CCW. Funny, because I have one. Also, I encourage you to read the second amendment.
It states:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Key word being militia. We have the right to form militia, however, we don't necessarily own the right to own guns. That being said, I support gun ownership, but I also believe in it's restrictions we have in place. Did you know that nearly every single weapon used my Mexican drug cartels are US sourced? Funny. And I highly doubt the reason why Arizona doesn't riot (When do states ever riot?) is because of guns. There's way more complexity to rioting than gun ownership.

Shits gunna hit the fan sooner then we all expect. Its bound to happen, its just the nature of history.

Every generation has said the same thing for as long as time. We'll be just fine.







Now, the way I see the bill now, I would not pass it. Why? Because there isn't enough legal definition of foreign infringing site. It does need to be clarified, as well as have protections in place for message boards and public websites where links can be posted by people other than the site owners. If I was the President, I would pocket veto it, on the grounds that it isn't defined enough. However, I do support the underlying message, and with further legislative process I believe the law can become applicable to the piracy crisis.
Realistically though, this has a 0% chance of passing anyway. Obama will veto it, and It's just the cycle of lawmaking for the country. Nothing is perfect the first time around, or second in this case.



And regarding your govtsucksd comment, we have the right of freedom of speech, however, some things are considered slanderous and illegal. If I threaten to blow up a school, is that freedom of speech? What about if I threaten to kill Obama? Or yell bomb on a subway? Use your brain. There's a reason a website like that would be shut down, and it's not because it's slanderous, it's because it's malicious or detrimental to the workings of our country.


And my last PostScript to remove any labels any of you may place on me:

I am not ignorant, nor a bigot.

I don't vote party lines. I don't support Obama; I don't support Bush; I don't support the Elephant or the Donkey. I'm an American, and I do what I believe is right. I do my own research; I find my own facts. I only follow my instincts and my morals, but I will listen to every persons opinion, because knowledge is wealth. I will listen to the hippy, the scholar, and the soldier for facts on a war. I will listen to theism and atheism, any ethnicity, opinion, or background. I am open to change, but I still like things the way they are.

Ignorance is not bliss.

[---RiLeY---151---]

It's a free country.. Plus it's goiNg to get voted down.

[mx4life]

It's a free country.. Plus it's goiNg to get voted down.

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[---RiLeY---151---]

No that's just when I was dumb and stuff I'd like to know how to change it like how motoxjeff changed his..