6d helmets.

[Phathry25]

I'm sure if you dig deep enough and actually talk to the pro's 1 on 1, they would tell you the real deal.

What makes you think that the pro's are any more educated than Joe Blow about how neck braces work? From my outsider point of view very few of the pro's are educated enough to make a twitter post that doesn't make them look borderline retarded. Why would they suddenly be experts about neck injuries? Now if Eddie Casillas or Doc Bodnar told me they were shit, I would listen.

[supercross711]

phat is right.

[MiNi]

What makes you think that the pro's are any more educated than Joe Blow about how neck braces work? From my outsider point of view very few of the pro's are educated enough to make a twitter post that doesn't make them look borderline retarded. Why would they suddenly be experts about neck injuries? Now if Eddie Casillas or Doc Bodnar told me they were shit, I would listen.

Because the stats and facts that they know come from higher ups like doctors, testers, tech experts, etc. I'm not sure what would be wrong with listening to any rider at that level. When you spend as much time in the sport as pro riders do (me having actual experience in a similar field around pros, I have the luxury of seniority to say this) you will meet many people, learn many lessons and uncover many secrets (this sounds straight ripped from a fucking novel I swear). If you had any sort of 1 on 1 with a pro rider they can tell you shit that can't exactly be said to the general public, because it would be too controversial, kind of like this topic. When the leatt came, it was the only neck brace at the time, everyone just bought into the idea that it was safe, even though it was never proven anywhere. Now you have the issue where people hear shit like this and they get all defensive because they want to believe whatever the public put out.

I'm not sure where your logic stands in all honesty, but to just assume riders are mindless freaks who don't know anything is the most adorable argument ever.

[James_122]

actually the most adorable argument ever would be if a baby polar bear could beat up a baby panda bear. My heart just melted

[MiNi]

actually the most adorable argument ever would be if a baby polar bear could beat up a baby panda bear. My heart just melted

Nailed it.

[Phathry25]

Once again all your supposed stats and facts are nothing but hearsay. At this point Leatt would have a hell of a slander case against you.

Being a mindless fuck is a far cry from not being well educated on head and neck injuries. You're the one getting all defensive about this shit.

[AWood]

Once again all your supposed stats and facts are nothing but hearsay. At this point Leatt would have a hell of a slander case against you.

Being a mindless fuck is a far cry from not being well educated on head and neck injuries. You're the one getting all defensive about this shit.

lol. calm down mctygue

[Phathry25]

LOL. I'm not suggesting that such a thing would happen. My point is that he is making me out to be the one that's out of my mind on the war path here, when it's actually the opposite. All I've said is that I would prefer a medical professionals opinion over hearsay from a professional motocross racer.

[supercross711]

actually the most adorable argument ever would be if a baby polar bear could beat up a baby panda bear. My heart just melted

I always thought a guinea pig and chinchilla would be the cutest but to each his own.

[KTM880]

Do you wear proper knee braces? Supposedly they send all the force to other bones so you end up breaking your femur instead.

What's your view on that?

When i broke my femur it broke just above the end of the knee brace. Coincidence? I think not. Still wear knee braces though because a doctor (who was at the track and called the ambulance) thought i would have some knee damage for sure after seeing the crash, but guess what? Only injury was the snapped femur and some nasty bruises from my leatt on my collarbones.


Also, look at this photo from a local dh race:

I reckon the neck brace helped on this one....

[Phathry25]

1% chance that it helped.

Even at that, Lloyd Christmas would wear one.

[Jeremy150]

I don't get how people can possible say neckbraces aren't beneficial. Think about it like this, how about when people break their legs? So you're telling me that because people can still break their legs with boots on then their bad right? If that's you're logic might as well throw away the boots and start wearing flip flops.

[ct596]

I myself am convinced that the Leatt does work. I have had several crashes in which I believe the Leatt has saved me from a more serious injury. My most recent crash happened on a sand whoop section going fourth wide on a 450. My bike hit false neutral and I did a helicopter like in sim resulting me landing on my back violently. Ended up being super sore but no serious injuries.
My Leatt afterwards:

I think most of the force of the crash was absorbed by the Leatt which is why it cracked. Only speculation of course.

[Hi Im Skyqe]

What makes you think that the pro's are any more educated than Joe Blow about how neck braces work? From my outsider point of view very few of the pro's are educated enough to make a twitter post that doesn't make them look borderline retarded. Why would they suddenly be experts about neck injuries? Now if Eddie Casillas or Doc Bodnar told me they were shit, I would listen.

Because the stats and facts that they know come from higher ups like doctors, testers, tech experts, etc. I'm not sure what would be wrong with listening to any rider at that level. When you spend as much time in the sport as pro riders do (me having actual experience in a similar field around pros, I have the luxury of seniority to say this) you will meet many people, learn many lessons and uncover many secrets (this sounds straight ripped from a fucking novel I swear). If you had any sort of 1 on 1 with a pro rider they can tell you shit that can't exactly be said to the general public, because it would be too controversial, kind of like this topic. When the leatt came, it was the only neck brace at the time, everyone just bought into the idea that it was safe, even though it was never proven anywhere. Now you have the issue where people hear shit like this and they get all defensive because they want to believe whatever the public put out.

I'm not sure where your logic stands in all honesty, but to just assume riders are mindless freaks who don't know anything is the most adorable argument ever.

So with this logic in mind, would you go to a football player for the most informed opinion on who makes the best running shoes?

[MiNi]

I don't get how people can possible say neckbraces aren't beneficial. Think about it like this, how about when people break their legs? So you're telling me that because people can still break their legs with boots on then their bad right? If that's you're logic might as well throw away the boots and start wearing flip flops.

That's a terrible analogy.

Surely I would love to sit back and say that I would rather break my collarbone than my neck, but who ever said that the leatt is proven to do that? Like I said before, there are the times where you can have a wreck like Jantz Grodzicki did. He had some of the best protection and it didn't do save his life. While nothing is 100% guaranteed to save your life, that doesn't mean that equipment can't come close to 100%. Equipment must be tested and show results that are substantial enough to be deemed safe. 1% is not substantial and you're fooling yourself if you think it is. If you want to take that 1%, then consider the other injuries a neck brace can cause; broken collarbones, chest injuries, shoulder injuries and even back injuries. Those injuries are not worth it for me and many other pro riders I personally know. If there was anything Langston taught me that day, it would be more dangerous to wear one (not saying it in a way that its going to kill you, just a way to say its better for me to be off without one). Preference plays a part, but preference aside, there's a fine difference between neck braces and other protection products. Boots have a substantial chance of saving your foot and leg from serious injury; it is statistically proven. Knee braces have a substantial chance of stopping your knee from hyper extending and twisting; it is statistically proven. Neck braces do not have anywhere near of a substantial chance of stopping spinal compression, spinal twisting, or any other serious neck/back related injuries; it is not statistically proven.