2014 AMA Supercross Discussion

BradyS21 · Post by **BradyS21** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:48 pm

I can't quite fully grasp what he thinks of ddavis....

Phathry25 · Post by **Phathry25** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:06 pm

I miss all the good arguments.

kevin131mx · Post by **kevin131mx** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:26 pm

Evo997 wrote:
kevin131mx wrote: I guess I don't know anything about moto since it's been my entire life since the age of 3 and raced at Loretta's.
Doesn't mean you're not an idiot. There are a lot of racers out there that fail when it comes to intelligence and excel when it comes to ignorance.

So I'm an idiot because I feel that someone is a sandbagger? It's just an opinion buddy. I'm not going around here calling everyone that disagrees with me someone who "excels at ignorance". Damn, the people on these forums nowadays aren't like what they used to be.

MiNi · Post by **MiNi** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:40 pm

kevin131mx wrote:When he wasn't winning a race* Singular, not plural. But for the record, nobody in here defending him has been rooting for him to win the title all season long either. You all just jumped on the bandwagon.

I never really liked the guy and I've liked him less and less every year he's been in the same class. No matter how many races/titles he wins, I still won't like him. Just my opinion. I do believe that forums are places for people to discuss their opinions with one another

I was just saying nobody was trash talking Davalos when he wasn't in a winning position. Why are you assuming that because I'm defending him, that I'm on the "bandwagon" or that I'm a fanboy? I don't give a shit for Davalos and I sure as hell won't care if he wins or loses the championship. I just have respect for him or every other rider out there at that level. My opinion is as subjective as it gets.

I don't care if you don't like him. Just because you like somebody more doesn't mean that you can bash the other guy because you don't appreciate him. He deserves to win that championship just as much as anybody else.

Ddavis wrote:Get a life MiNi. I actually know what Garrett is talking about and knows the Davalos family a lot better than we do. I understand it's out of his control, I just don't see Davalos as an amazing rider, he doesn't just whip stuff out of his back pocket like we see people like Stewart, Cianciarulo, Carmichael, etc. I don't think Davalos is going to move up to the 450 class and have success like he's having this year in the 250 class. Is it being a hater? I don't believe so, I think it's being a realist. Not living in the clouds. MiNi check the last two pages, I made my point and kept my nose out of it once I made my points. kevin131mx has been the one bitching back and forth with someone who actually knows about moto, kevin131mx needs to STFU, just as I did the past couple pages. At least I understand he's racing 250 based out of paychecks not out of personal choice, but my only point was that I don't believe he's a contender when he moves up. I see him being around the Josh Grant range, not that it's bad, but if you were Factory Kawasaki would you rather look at Davalos, or someone like Anderson/Seely/Wilson. If he runs up front, good for him, I'm not going to wish harm on him, or for him to lose his ride or anything. He seems like a cool guy with a lot of talent, I just think he's been in the class for way too long, and unlike someone like Langston or Tedesco who rode the class forever, they won championships and races consistently throughout their entire 250 career.

So because Davalos isn't this amazing rider that can't win big races, that totally gives you the right to bash him and discredit him just because he can win a championship now?

Nothing wrong with an opinion. But its just the bullshit remarks like:

Ddavis wrote:I just don't see riders investing their time and money into someone who's cracked under the pressure and crashed about 64/65 times in a main event.

Ddavis wrote:You can root for the underdog who just got his first win and is going for a title in his last year in the class, or see it as he's choked for nine years and is sandbagging in some ways.

I saw more stuff, I didn't care to quote it all. I know where you're coming from Devin, but there's no need to trash talk anybody to get the point across.

Phathry25 wrote:I miss all the good arguments.

Reminds me of the days when people bagged on Broc Hepler for riding in the lites class forever.

Evo997 · Post by **Evo997** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:54 pm

kevin131mx wrote: So I'm an idiot because I feel that someone is a sandbagger? It's just an opinion buddy. I'm not going around here calling everyone that disagrees with me someone who "excels at ignorance". Damn, the people on these forums nowadays aren't like what they used to be.

I said it; it's not my problem that you think what I said fits your personality.

MiNi · Post by **MiNi** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:03 pm

MiNi wrote: So because Davalos isn't this amazing rider that can't win big races

EDIT: *CAN. DAMN IT!

TeamHavocRacing · Post by **TeamHavocRacing** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:49 pm

TeanHavocRacing wrote:I can't quite fully grasp what he thinks of Paul Walker....

Ddavis · Post by **Ddavis** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:03 pm

Gotta love the Privateers. I got to know the Meynet family at Mammoth a long time ago, great people and he's worked extremely hard for this moment. So pumped for him!!

Pumaxcs · Post by **Pumaxcs** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:20 pm

All this hate for Davalos the "sandbagger" but not a single word about Lemoine who is like 10-15 races short of Davalos. What about him?

MiNi · Post by **MiNi** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:32 pm

Oh man, the irony!

Ddavis · Post by **Ddavis** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:40 pm

Lemoine moved up to the 450 class last year and made plenty of main events, and in my opinion yes he is sandbagging since he moved back down to the 250 class but if he felt as if there was unfinished business then who cares. He did the 450 class, injured his knee, and came back on the 250. It's a privateer effort, maybe that's what the team provided for him. East coast only on a 250, rather than all seaosn on a 450.

kevin131mx · Post by **kevin131mx** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:09 pm

MiNi wrote: I was just saying nobody was trash talking Davalos when he wasn't in a winning position. Why are you assuming that because I'm defending him, that I'm on the "bandwagon" or that I'm a fanboy? I don't give a shit for Davalos and I sure as hell won't care if he wins or loses the championship. I just have respect for him or every other rider out there at that level. My opinion is as subjective as it gets.

I don't care if you don't like him. Just because you like somebody more doesn't mean that you can bash the other guy because you don't appreciate him. He deserves to win that championship just as much as anybody else.

That was aimed more towards that Prada kid because he was making a million excuses for Davalos. Sorry for the confusion.

I didn't think that my personal opinion, that a rider should not be allowed to stay in "the stepping stone to the premier class" for 9 years, would be such a big deal and get everyone to seemingly assume I'm a terrible person and start insulting me/my passion for the sport. Obviously I respect him and the effort he put in to get to this point. Obviously he's one of the fastest people in the world to be riding a dirt bike right now. Obviously he's had to overcome many obstacles in his life. And obviously I've never lined up/never will line up on the gate of an AMA Supercross. But I have been around motocross since I was born, have raced all my life, and know what sacrifices have to be made to become just a mediocre amateur, let alone a top pro. So, from my experience and knowledge of the sport, I feel that 9 years is too long to race in the 250 class. I don't think it's fair to other riders, and I'd feel the same if any other rider was in the class that long. But I'll be sure to keep my opinion to myself next time, guys.

Phathry25 · Post by **Phathry25** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:20 pm

He's met the rules to compete in the class. Should he refuse the rides and move back to Ecuador? Are there any other sports where they limit the amount of time you can spend in the feeder series?

I have no actual experience in baseball, but I would imagine it would be a big story if a guy who played AAA ball for 10 years finally started having some success and was looking to get a shot at the majors. But in motorcycle racing it's frowned upon. I don't get that.

DJ99X · Post by **DJ99X** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:31 pm

I don't understand how it is sandbagging if he hasn't won a title (and only won his first race this year). If the 'point out' system wasn't in place, and he had won multiple championships, then yeah, call him a sandbagger.

kevin131mx · Post by **kevin131mx** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:35 pm

Personally I think that there should be stricter rules regarding how long you can stay in the class. Like say 4 full years maximum, with a full year meaning without missing more than half of the year due to injury. And I don't follow any of the traditional sports so I wouldn't know what their rules are.

Oh well, this is my last post on the subject. I'm clearly the odd man out and don't want to gain any more enemies so I'll just stay quiet for a while. Good luck to Martin and hopefully he can find as much success in the 450 class in the years to come as he has in the 2014 supercross season thus far.

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