6d helmets.

[Phathry25]

You don't believe my 6D story?

It's amazing that you still don't understand what hearsay is after all this.

[MiNi]

You don't believe my 6D story?

It's amazing that you still don't understand what hearsay is after all this.

hear·say
ˈhi(ə)rˌsā/Submit
noun
1.
"information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor."

lol I don't believe everything I hear. While it is hearsay, that doesn't mean that hearsay can't be accurate. I chose to believe this because it makes sense. Read the rest of my posts FFS! Jesus.

It baffles me to know I have to keep repeating my shit to get the point across. I would kindly ask that you pull your head out of your ass already.

[760Liam]

It baffles me to know I have to keep repeating my shit to get the point across.

I bet Phat feels the same way with you...

[MiNi]

I bet Phat feels the same way with you...

I never said you had to believe me. I never said you had to take your leatt off and I never said you were an idiot for wearing one. I'm just saying what I know. Read my posts. If you have already, re-read my posts.

[Phathry25]

Don't you mean you're just saying what you've heard?

[MiNi]

LOL

Here is the short version:

Non-hearsay: Believe it or not, neck braces haven't actually been proven anywhere.
Non-hearsay: The public assumed that they work, because it hasn't been done before.
Non-hearsay: Pictures don't prove the leatt works.
Non-hearsay: Many riders are taking theirs off all of a sudden. Not a few, many.
Hearsay: Hearing the Langston story, it makes sense.

Based on what I know, what I've heard makes sense. I'll say it again; you don't have to believe me.

[Phathry25]

I find it extremely hard to believe that Leatt was able to secure investors by not being able to prove his brace worked in some capacity.

Seriously, imagine a contestant on shark tank or whatever that investment show is saying I have this safety device, I have proven it to not be effective at all in doing what I claim it to do, but I think I can fool people well enough to make millions off of it. And then getting the investors to bite.

Seems ludicrous right?

Or how about alpinestars doing all this research to prove that their brace also isn't worth shit, but still pouring money into designing, building and marketing it.

Equally ludicrous.

[MiNi]

I find it extremely hard to believe that Leatt was able to secure investors by not being able to prove his brace worked in some capacity.

Seriously, imagine a contestant on shark tank or whatever that investment show is saying I have this safety device, I have proven it to not be effective at all in doing what I claim it to do, but I think I can fool people well enough to make millions off of it. And then getting the investors to bite.

Seems ludicrous right?

Or how about alpinestars doing all this research to prove that their brace also isn't worth shit, but still pouring money into designing, building and marketing it.

Equally ludicrous.

The leatt and its design appeared to be genius. Everyone agreed that it was amazing; it got product of the decade by Racer X if I can recall. I bought into it, my whole family bought into it and all of my friends bought into it.

That's the thing though, none of use have a clue about what was said to those investors. But don't you think that there might be something odd if leatt wants to keep the stats for their brace private? Sure leatt has released numbers on the internet, but those numbers won't always be true numbers. As long as percentages are between 0.1% and 99.9%, anything can be made up. Nobody knows what percentages the investors are given, or if they were given any percentages at all and they just saw an opportunity to make bank. I'm sure you're aware that investors don't care much for the product but they care if they will make money at it.

Because Alpinestars can make a lot of money off of it, that's why. For an investor, it would be stupid not to invest because people already believe in the technology and people will buy it, regardless. Also, maybe Alpinestars will keep the product and keep innovating it because they have interest in it and want to see it turn out for the better. You might even be able to say the same about the new Atlas brace (which I am very interested in).

Who knows? Its only speculation of course. But it is a very interesting issue, indeed. Hell, you could call it a mystery if you wanted to.

[supercross711]

This fight will go down in history.

[Lynch]

Hope Phat wins.

[760Liam]

Hope Phat wins.

[supercross711]

Im kinda routing for MINI even though i haven't read a word they have said.

[MiNi]

Hope Phat wins.

You honestly think that there's something to win in all of this? There's nothing to win and I'm not in this to win anything. The argument is at an impasse anyway.

Im kinda routing for MINI even though i haven't read a word they have said.

Don't bother lol, its just a stupid argument. Save yourself the trouble.

[Del]

The funny thing is that you openly admitted to accepting hearsay from a doctor. A doctor could feed you the biggest bullshit ever, you would believe it...

[Evo997]

Look at this picture, this is how your vertebrae move. There are three main ways to break a neck, twist, bend, compress. The two that get addressed by a neck brace are bend, and twist to a lesser degree. Obviously, getting landed on like Trey Canard in 2012 is a compression, and a neck brace will do next to nothing, but maybe a little help because his neck wouldn't have been bent as far over exposing more vertebrae. To be 100% effective would have to be overly restricting. A Leatt is designed to keep your head from moving too far from the original position. Anyone who has worn one understands. It's simple science and the picture alone should let you come to the conclusion yourself. Bend the vertebrae too far in either direction and they fracture.



Saying they do nothing is absolutely ridiculous. Companies would not be investing money and time into making a product better if it didn't work. They'd do what most cheap companies do, make it and say it's perfect; never touching it again. People break their necks, it happens. Majority is a compression, either head first into something or landed on. A neck brace can't help with that. In reality though, it's better to be landed on than have your neck snapped from it getting bent back.