Political Debate Thread

[m121c]

Mask free 4th because Trump cut massive red tape and delivered a vaccine well before any of the so-called “science experts” and “journalists “ thought possible.

Remind me again who shut travel down, and what side of the isle thought that it was grossly xenophobic/racist to do so?

Remind me again what side of the isle was saying children playing outdoor school sports need a mask because the CDC overlords said so, yet STOKED massive crowd gatherings, protests, and riots all during the pandemic?

What side of the isle and corporate media were pushing the lies that the Trump admin was “muzzling” Fauci, when Fauci himself was telling people he was far from being kept quiet.

Remind me again the side that had “fact checkers”, “scientists”, and “government officials” saying that it was absolute fact that this was a natural origin WITHOUT any possible chance of it being lab born.

Trump trump trump trump. You are the worst kind of double standard.

Nothing like doing nothing and taking credit for it... yup sounds like a democrat!

[Racers52]

What exactly are we thanking you for?

Texas has been mask-mandate-free for a while (March 21st), along with Florida. Which was way ahead of the Biden admin and the CDC. So it seems like if anything you should be thanking the states that have paved the way back to normal life.

And before you throw the inevitable "you are a denier of science" swing and miss, I think masks do stop the respiratory droplets from landing on surfaces and possibly people you talk to. But the mask is not as protective as you think. And sure plenty of people still wear masks in Texas and there is nothing wrong with that. If people chose to do so they have every right to wear one and not to wear one. (I'm sounding more like a true-liberal than you havoc).

COVID-19 is horrible, and this is a wake-up call to our society that as individuals we need to take care of our health better. If you look at the populations most affected, it is primarily people with pre-existing conditions or people that have nutritional/vitamin deficiencies like vitamin D.
Promote healthy lifestyle choices, diet, exercise, being outside and getting sunlight to produce natural vitamin d, proper sleep instead of the band-aid over the bullet hole type solutions with lockdowns and masks mandates.

The far-left media and far-left, in general, have circled back on the origins of COVID like a dog with its tail tucked. Seems like their emotions of hating Trump clearly got in the way of figuring out exactly where this virus came from. Shocker.

[m121c]

as individuals we need to take care of our health better. If you look at the populations most affected, it is primarily people with pre-existing conditions or people that have nutritional/vitamin deficiencies like vitamin D.
Promote healthy lifestyle choices, diet, exercise, being outside and getting sunlight to produce natural vitamin d, proper sleep instead of the band-aid over the bullet hole type solutions with lockdowns and masks mandates.

Man, do I wish the CDC would put out a press conference stating this. Their "run, hide, avoid" advice will result in worsened traditional flu/cold seasons because they have helped destroy millions of peoples immune systems.

The left will worship masks, but if you mention exercise and weight-loss, they implode on themselves. They know deep down that it's right, but they can't go against woke "body positivity". Joe Rogan and Dan Crenshaw have a great discussion on this on Dan's recent visit on Joe's show; Joe had a friend who heard that it disproportionately affected overweight people, so they went out and dropped 40 lbs in 6 months. Maybe if every American did that... I would consider being more on board with socialized healthcare. Nah, nevermind, it's still not a good idea.

[TeamHavocRacing]

R.I.P. Duke Trujillo. He was a fighter for you guys. Too bad he died from another Democrat hoax. He even said "I have an immune system." He was just as much an expert on these things as you guys. It's ok. You need distractions from what's really ailing you. You still gotta stop the steal!

[Racers52]

Don’t have to be an expert scientist to understand that diet, exercise, sleep and living a active life style will improve your health and help protect you from disease and sickness. Just need a basic understanding and have federal health institutions encouraging this kind of life style through education.

[jlv]

Giving Trump credit for the vaccines is as dumb as giving Obama credit for killing bin Laden. He just did what any default politician would have done. If he did something out of the ordinary like challenge testing he'd deserve credit but the reality is he was advising the CDC to investigate light and disinfectant inside the body on live TV.

It's unbelievable watching this guy destroy the Republican party and everything it used to stand for. It's like a football coach who loses every game but the fans love his press conferences so you're stuck with him forever.

[m121c]

but the reality is he was advising the CDC to investigate light and disinfectant inside the body on live TV.

I’m assuming you don’t know this is an on going medical research topic.

I too saw that and thought it was absurdity much as the news thought so.. but I did my own investigating and found its actually a thing. He did a terrible delivery of it and it wasn’t the place for it, but can’t be any worse than what is said now by our President.

I think you give Trump a little too much credit. I don’t see the Republican party as terrible as you make it seem.

[jlv]

but the reality is he was advising the CDC to investigate light and disinfectant inside the body on live TV.

I’m assuming you don’t know this is an on going medical research topic.

I too saw that and thought it was absurdity much as the news thought so.. but I did my own investigating and found its actually a thing. He did a terrible delivery of it and it wasn’t the place for it, but can’t be any worse than what is said now by our President.

I think you give Trump a little too much credit. I don’t see the Republican party as terrible as you make it seem.

Why twist yourself up in knots defending some nitwit politician? I just don't get it. It's like you bought a turd sandwich and instead of admitting the mistake and throwing it away you're going to eat it to prove you were right.

I agree that the issue is not so much Trump as the fact that there's still significant support for the traitor. That's why you still have Republicans who won't admit he lost the election. MTG is more mainstream than Liz Cheney in today's Republican party.

[TM_Infidel]

Stick to mxsim jlv, you are embarrassing yourself.

[TeamHavocRacing]

... advising the CDC to investigate light and disinfectant inside the body on live TV.

I’m assuming you don’t know this is an on going medical research topic.

I too saw that and thought it was absurdity much as the news thought so.. but I did my own investigating and found its actually a thing.

embarrassing yourself.

Wow! The zoomers are totally digging their heels in! While "they" investigate injecting bleach and drinking disinfectant, some of us are really close to 70% vaccination. Some of you are still struggling to admit it's real. So deluded in fact, TM Infidel thinks JLV is the one embarrassing himself. This is why it's so hard to reach today's kids. SMH.

[TeamHavocRacing]

Being escorted off of his high horse! See ya!
One less nutbag, belligerent right-wing dickhead. Now if we could just include Bolsinaro, Modi and maybe a Kim or two. Hell, throw a Kardashian in there too! All of 'em.


L'chaim! To life!

[m121c]

Some of us are really close to 70% vaccination.

Thats great, especially for those who are in the risk categories that feel the EUA vaccine and limited data are reasonable risks over the virus. I’ll wait personally.

Some of you are still struggling to admit it's real.

Literally none of us are struggling to admit it. Not one person who commented recently has said this. Even if you somehow believe scientifically proven, immune system boosting measures (and risk category prevention.. aka losing weight) doesn’t help fight this virus, doesn’t mean that those of us that look at science from all angles are “struggling to admit” the virus exists.

While "they" investigate injecting bleach and drinking disinfectant

This wasn’t what was said CNN. Its odd how you can overlook Bidens obvious mental decline and his little time spent interacting “off the cuff”, yet be so out-right dishonest with what Trump says.

Why twist yourself up in knots defending some nitwit politician? I just don't get it. It's like you bought a turd sandwich and instead of admitting the mistake and throwing it away you're going to eat it to prove you were right.

It has less to do with defending Trump, and more to do with combating the unethical "journalism" of corporate media/tech giants and exposing a new alternative perspective to it's gullible consuming audience. I'm not angry jlv, I'm disappointed. I know you reallllyyy dislike Trump, and there are legitimate reasons to not like him, but I didn't think you would be the one to pull the fallacy charade of the whole disinfectant talking point. Even with your absolute hatred for Trump, you have to see the unfair, unethical, and down right dirty tactics the media used against him to sway the general population that takes major news at face value; especially when you compare their behavior with Biden. That to me is the real issue. I could give a rats ass about Trump, the problem is, it's not about Trump, it's the entire policy and cultural ideals the republican party is structured around. Trump was just an easy target for them to center their hatred.

Ultraviolet blood irradiation has been around for decades. It is primarily considered a "voodoo" treatment by many doctors, but some continue to study it, others fully believe in it. We research some stupid things. Further, UV light wavelengths are being continually experimented and researched between virologists, physicists, and doctors. I would put it in there with chiropractors, suction cup therapy, and acupuncture honestly. Was it a good thing for Trump to say in a press conference? No. Was it brought up, in context, as if it were an answer to our problems? Not at all.

Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.

His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.

Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.
Here are his full comments:

"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

He continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.

"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."

We can go back and forth about Trump said this, but wait no he actually said THIS, and then I can bring up something about some other politician etc. etc. This started with Dr. Fauci's emails and how they paint a much different picture of his words, the NIH's stances, and what was reported by the news during the early parts of the pandemic. It was predictable Havoc tried to steer the conversation back to his boogieman, but lets keep it on topic now that we cleared the air of this "drinking bleach" narrative.

[TeamHavocRacing]

It's ok. You can keep trying.

[Racers52]

Why twist yourself up in knots defending some nitwit politician? I just don't get it. It's like you bought a turd sandwich and instead of admitting the mistake and throwing it away you're going to eat it to prove you were right.

It has less to do with defending Trump, and more to do with combating the unethical "journalism" of corporate media/tech giants and exposing a new alternative perspective to it's gullible consuming audience. I'm not angry jlv, I'm disappointed. I know you reallllyyy dislike Trump, and there are legitimate reasons to not like him, but I didn't think you would be the one to pull the fallacy charade of the whole disinfectant talking point. Even with your absolute hatred for Trump, you have to see the unfair, unethical, and down right dirty tactics the media used against him to sway the general population that takes major news at face value; especially when you compare their behavior with Biden. That to me is the real issue. I could give a rats ass about Trump, the problem is, it's not about Trump, it's the entire policy and cultural ideals the republican party is structured around. Trump was just an easy target for them to center their hatred.

Mainstream media has ZERO accountability for what they report. Non-biased and investigative journalism on TV is pretty much dead.

[TeamHavocRacing]

ZERO accountability for what they report.

Like OAN? FOX?!?!? BLOOMBERG!?!?!?!? Get outta here.