If you have an argument to make, make it.
I agree with you on media bias. The problem is Trump proves them right. He makes their job easy.m121c wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:14 pm It has less to do with defending Trump, and more to do with combating the unethical "journalism" of corporate media/tech giants and exposing a new alternative perspective to it's gullible consuming audience. I'm not angry jlv, I'm disappointed. I know you reallllyyy dislike Trump, and there are legitimate reasons to not like him, but I didn't think you would be the one to pull the fallacy charade of the whole disinfectant talking point. Even with your absolute hatred for Trump, you have to see the unfair, unethical, and down right dirty tactics the media used against him to sway the general population that takes major news at face value; especially when you compare their behavior with Biden. That to me is the real issue. I could give a rats ass about Trump, the problem is, it's not about Trump, it's the entire policy and cultural ideals the republican party is structured around. Trump was just an easy target for them to center their hatred.
Giants fans hate Ray Handley. Jets fans hate Rich Kotite. Trump as the Republican leader is a Handley/Kotite. Republicans should hate him but they don't. That's what's so frustrating. He's like Rich Kotite except the fans love him which means we're stuck with him. As long as he's leading the Republican party the left is going to be running up the score on us.
Thinks about this. Wedge issues are one of the most effective and subtle ways the media manipulates people. Democrats have a much easier time keeping different factions in the tent because they're never asked about things that would cause infighting. Ilhan Omar says something about the Jews and it just gets buried. So no problem for the Dems trying to keep liberal Jews in the tent. For the Republicans it's the opposite. They're always going back and forth trying to pit the different factions against each other.
Now look at Trump. He's a walking wedge issue. The media doesn't have to do anything because he's actively throwing people out of the party. It's a small tent. What's worse is the small tent isn't even conservative. It's basically just a Trump fan club that stands for nothing except supporting Trump's attempts to overthrow the government. Huge government spending is fine as long as Trump is doing the spending.
It's a political loser and even if it weren't I wouldn't want it to win anyway. For a conservative I don't think things have ever been this bleak before.
It's not media bias to laugh at someone who thinks what works on a countertop would work internally. It's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard a president say. I'd have to go digging for house members thinking Guam will tip over to find something comparatively stupid. The reason Fauci is famous is because Trump is such an easy act to follow. Basically all he had to do was sound vaguely professional and he looked like a genius next to Trump.m121c wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:14 pm Ultraviolet blood irradiation has been around for decades. It is primarily considered a "voodoo" treatment by many doctors, but some continue to study it, others fully believe in it. We research some stupid things. Further, UV light wavelengths are being continually experimented and researched between virologists, physicists, and doctors. I would put it in there with chiropractors, suction cup therapy, and acupuncture honestly. Was it a good thing for Trump to say in a press conference? No. Was it brought up, in context, as if it were an answer to our problems? Not at all.
We can go back and forth about Trump said this, but wait no he actually said THIS, and then I can bring up something about some other politician etc. etc. This started with Dr. Fauci's emails and how they paint a much different picture of his words, the NIH's stances, and what was reported by the news during the early parts of the pandemic. It was predictable Havoc tried to steer the conversation back to his boogieman, but lets keep it on topic now that we cleared the air of this "drinking bleach" narrative.Politco wrote: Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.
His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.
Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.
Here are his full comments:
"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
He continued.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.
"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."
Fauci doesn't matter. If you're a conservative and you want small government the #1 obstacle to that is Trump.