m121c wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:10 pm
Whats the 2 second method for quoting where I don't have to move the start and end quote brackets or delete massive walls of text or type shit into the quote bar.
I can try, I mostly just watch stupid educational youtube videos. It's a hard life having no friends.
It's very broad. Some would draw a conclusion a lot sooner than others. It would seem the vast majority of people who specialize in this field have drawn their conclusion. Which would state it isn't experimental. The same can be said with the current scale it's being "experimented" on. Where would you draw the conclusion? As it stands you should be able to give me a date given that most of the world's population is undertaking this experiment.
The point of govt is to provide socialist services (police, fire, schooling, roads, parks etc) and nanny society (if society says, we don't like murder and theft, govt has to stop it etc). The only way I could agree with you is if it was put to vote and the majority vote on, no mandate. At the end of the day, the average person isn't smart enough to do what's right for them. America is the perfect example, being obese isn't good for you, yet there you (USA) are, breaking records. There are also situations where the majority of you would vote against something even though in reality, it is in your best interest. A good example is, I'm sure most people would vote on a tax decrease, it would be bad. I mean last I checked, meth was illegal, should that not be a personal choice? I don't think so myself. There are lines, they haven't crossed it here.
I don't choose to take a shit, if it was up to me, I'd never eat. It's such a pain having to provide sustenance. It's just inefficient.
You don't need to take back the injection, it'll be gone after a while (hence the need for boosters)(I want to note, I'm not necessarily on board with getting yearly boosters). Can you humor me? What drugs have delayed effects of more than a few years?
I don't really disagree, as bad as it sounds. These people are overheads in my country. The vast majority of people dying of the virus need govt aid to survive. But at the end of the day, there are 2 ways to value human life, the engineer way (this person will contribute x value to society. If they die, it'll cost x amount to scoop them up etc. I think in nz the value is around 4million or something). And the other way, this persons a human they should have the right to live or something. Completely opinion-based, so I'm not going to get into it. Honestly, I would be fine with everyone getting a vaccine and then letting covid run rampant (I think that's what NZ is transitioning into).
Yeap, the way they document the stats isn't great for you and I. I mentioned that it's used in a different way. Because of correlation vs causation (I'm retarded) there's no way to accurately use the stats other than to model trends, and watch those trends. Granted when they have conclusive stats, it would be nice if they were shown to us people who don't want to model trends. (Aka, 6 people died of covid, 2 were going to die in the next day regardless, therefore the deaths are only 4 instead of just blanket 6 probable deaths the end).
I don't think there is a difference. Every time a vaccine comes out it's the same shit. "I'm not against vaccines, just this one". "Look at all the adverse reactions". "Even doctors are against it". Honestly, it's always the same shit, I'm yet to hear something new. Same shit, different vaccine.
I'm unsure what type of engineer you are but I'll tell you this now, remove the idea of individualism. It's stupid, it's what people use to make you feel special. When you come to design or manage things for stakeholders you'll quickly find you need to group them. No way you'll please everyone, don't get caught up in the detail. No one else does. How many times have you been to a store and it's laid out to suit your individual needs? It's not, they have a target group and they meet the common denominator. Save yourself some stress and get on board.
There are a ton of college educated "intellectuals" that are just as vulnerable to dangerous ideas as those who are not. We could have a whole conversation of what make up an intellectual really.
Not a chance, I could pull stats that show this to be bullshit but it's like saying gravity isn't real, it'd be a waste of time to argue it.
If they can't do primary school mathematics, I don't count them as intellectuals (aka the majority of anti-covid vax I've talked to). Seriously, who can't figure out that 2+2x10 doesn't equal 40.
That's my point. When you do risk assessment it's simple, you don't pick the option where you're fucked no matter what. You pick the one with the best chances. And that's putting on your wool coat, getting your vaccine, and coming next to me to eat grass and baa. (I joke) But seriously, you have almost nothing to lose, there's a 1 in multiple million chance something bad will happen vs not getting it and being a reject of society.
Following your sum up.
-It needs to be mandated because people can't make the right decisions for themselves. (It's also likely the majority would want this)
-Again, depends on how you value human life. I'm a piece of shit (the more people die, the cheaper houses will be) so I agree with you. We need to let it run free at some stage. (I don't know if it's the best option given most viruses when contained, die off to never be seen. It's hard to say if this would ever die off, I'm not qualified to make that decision. All I know is I don't really care).
-It doesn't really matter if the circumstances aren't close, the point stands that you're wrong. The govt didn't end up with stupid powers from mandating back then and they're not going to this time either. It's a poor argument, don't use it.
-That statement is based on your opinion of it being experimental (often related to MRNA). There are other vaccines that aren't in the same situation. So it's a poor argument. You have the option to pick a "non-experimental" one. The vaccine itself is cheap, the lockdowns...... oh man are they gonna be expensive. We'll be feeling this for a while I think. Govts have enforced medical procedures since forever, it's a good idea, it's shown to save lives.
All you can argue is if this particular one falls into the category of worth it. Time will show if it isn't or isn't.
At the end of the day just get it, nothings going to happen. I'll suck your ghost dick if it does.