New National tracks at elsinore 19801?

[Rayvenator]

Hey there.

I´ve come from a long history of competitive gaming, both racing and other games and 2 months ago i decided to give this one a try.
Love simulator games and this is a real good one.

Now since I play this game quite a bit, and the best practice is going online vs other players. Not just the fact that you can follow someone a little bit quicker than you, but it also prevents you from just hitting the reset button in time trial every time you crash

Im focusing on the outdoors as im not nearly good enough to get into supercross yet.
Now, there is ALOT of servers to choose from in this game, which is awesome!
Unfortunately for us beginners, 90-95% of them are running just supercross only :/.
We have the awesome 19801 server with a good mix of 25-30 outdoor tracks in rotation which is great!

Here comes the big BUT.

The server right now rotates the 2015 AMA track and the 2013 MXGP tracks.
When the AMA tracks are on, there are usually 4-15 online racing and having fun.
Then as soon as the MXGP tracks starts, everyone leaves. And it stays deserted a day or two until some poor soul (quite often myself) decides to take one for the team and just plow through the MXGP track to get to the
AMA tracks again. Then as soon as people starts noticing the AMA tracks are on, the server fills up again.

And as a beginner, the 2015 AMA tracks are great! They are really challenging but still to the point the beginners can get through them and learn from it. Perfect roughness and speed practice for every skill level IMO.
The 2013 MXGP tracks have some nice ones (Agueda, Kegums etc) but to be fair, most of them are pretty terrible, at least for beginners.
Fermo, St Jean and some other are hard just to get a lap done! I always feel when I race Red bud or washougal for example I really feel Im getting the hang of it and I can push and set lap times and race other people. I feel like Im getting somewhere! As soon as these MXGP tracks it feels like I just started playing this game yesterday and it often ends with me shutting the game down to do something else (like so many others). They are so rough, with so many wierd ruts all over the place and also the fact the some turns are so ruttet, rough and sharp that you almost have to come to a complete stop to make the corner. And the weakest part of this game is by far the controls when going slow (Hey, Im 30 years old having been racing motocross IRL for over 20 years and Im NOT turning the handlebars the other way just because im going slow!) which makes it ever more frustrating.
Not to mention some tracks are just really dull to look at and feels poorly done and rushed (Bastogne, Matterley basin and Uddevalla comes to mind).

How about we keep the 2015 AMA tracks on the server, removes the 2013 MXGP tracks and adds in the new and really well done Italian or French tracks?
These are easy enough for beginners but also challenging enough for faster riders and can make for some good fun racing. They are also for the most part gorgeous to look at and the creator did a good job with them!

There are also alot of tracks that dont really belong to an entire series that are really good for this, the 2015 MXGP tracks and some of the random international tracks are really good!

Having a list of tracks that the server is running so that people can download the right tracks cant be too much work can it?

I´m curious what the community thinks about this because I really feel like as soon as the MXGP season starts on the server, everyone leaves and the server is abandoned, every time!

Cheers!

Christoffer J

[Wahlamt]

Sever topic.

I really think 01 could be having some changes in it. I wouldn't want to see the 13 gp's go away. The point you make with them looking bad, yeah, gray and "ugly", but they aren't as demanding on your pc as many rf ones are, which is a huge issue for a lot of people with shitty pc's.

For me the right approach to 01 would be.

• Change up the order of the tracks, so you have them changing between AMA/GP
• Add a few high quality custom tracks by popular demand.

Why are "Bastogne, Matterley basin and Uddevalla" rushed in your opinion? Just curious. Funny enough, Agueda, I think I saw either Hagg or Rafagas saying that it was made in 4 days...

01 would't get hurt by implementing few changes.

[Rayvenator]

Yeah you make a good point with the GP tracks demanding less.

Yeah I suppose it might just be me who it just too shitty to ride certain tracks Just had a few good races on lommel, kegums and bellpuig (all nice tracks) but then everyone just left in a hurry.

The reason i mentioned those tracks is that they just feel... i dunno less. There are considerably fewer ruts on the track and the ruts that are there just feel choppier/shorter or something.
Also there is alot of just flat corners or flat parts of the track which isnt very engaging or fun. Those tracks arent really very flat or hardpack in RL (Uddevalla can be) and Bastogne is even a sandy track.
Visually they just feel "flatter" or something. Like the ground textures was painted on with grass on the side.
Its just me nitpicking really I just feel they are flatter and less compelling over I suppose. Once again it might just be me who sucks too much at the game.

The main problem I have is with the tracks that are actually hard just to get a lap done in without crashing 100 times. Fermo, St Jean and Sevlievo is for me at least really hard just to get around properly.
That is just me sucking but I dont have that problem on some other tracks.

The biggest reason for the change would in my opinion still be the fact that as soon as the GP tracks starts, everyone leaves. For me who is online quite alot I see alot of people complainig on the tracks and
then just leave. Its such a big difference in server activity from the AMA rotation and thats why I brought the topic up. It just feels like nobody likes those GP tracks anymore.

Mixing it up might be a good idea so people might not be so prone to leaving immediatly but then again, it people dont like the tracks anymore, why keep them in there?

Cheers

[motokid499]

The GP's are difficult, for sure. I think the reason for 01 being deserted during GP's is a mix of the fact that a lot of people don't have the GP tracks, and a lot of people don't like them. Personally, I enjoy the GP tracks and would hate to see them go, but I wouldn't mind some of the suggestions that have been said so far like mixing the AMA and GP tracks.

You also have to remember that outdoors just finished, its offseason, and everyone is getting ready for SX season. I still go in 01 occasionally though and rip the GP's.

[Rayvenator]

Yeah I see what you mean. I can see some the harder GP tracks beeing quite fun if you have some skills to ride them ^^.

Yeah I get that its SX season on the way now and pretty much every private server is running SX tracks which is understandable.
Its just unfortunate for us beginners since the uphill to getting good enough to ride the harder stuff just gets steeper.
I understand that the road to getting good is long and hard I dont expect to be there any time soon. I figured if i play about an hour
every day I can maybe start doing some amateur outdoor races in a year or so. Its just a shame having only one server for practice
and 1/4 of them beeing too hard to even get around.

I guess I should go back to 19800 and practice rabbit hill until i get better but its just so darn boring .

Anyway thanks for the response!

Cheers

[Wahlamt]

I think the gp's are more realistic, they're smaller and choppier, but that's kind of real life gp's. My personal opinion is that the ama is quite oversized, however that feels more realistic in sim as well as that's funnier to ride. As you say, tracks like St Jean and Fermo are terrible for beginners. They're good to practice, just because they're difficult, but then aren't flowy and smooth as others are. Unless you get the flow going on them.

In all honesty, why people don't ride the gp's as much feels like "USA, USA, USA, USA, USA"... That some people doesn't care about the gp's, just because "USA, USA, USA". I don't have anything to back it up (and no, I don't want to offend anyone, neither do I intend to) but that's just a general feeling. But as well, the gp's are 2 years old now.

[Rayvenator]

Yeah you are probably right, it's just me not beeing good enough yet.
It's just hard to practice on tracks like that when you crash all the time which makes you frustrated which makes you crash even more. But I get what you're saying.
I don't really agree on the USA vs GPs tho. I'm a swede myself and I love the style of the European tracks more IRL. But in mxs the new ama tracks are much better built and looks much better in general. As you said, the gp tracks are 2 years older now. Look at the few gp tracks released this year. They are all just as good as the AMA tracks! Now we just need an entire series like that

Cheers

[SOAB_465]

not to be the black sheep, but I think it would be awesome to have a real "custom track" server, like 01 used to be.

It could run new releases like Checkersville, and Hostile Hills and you could have the occasional classic in the rotation like JS7 compound, Death valley and some of the local series stuff... I'd go in there just for the variety

[Big Smooth one3]

not to be the black sheep, but I think it would be awesome to have a real "custom track" server, like 01 used to be.

It could run new releases like Checkersville, and Hostile Hills and you could have the occasional classic in the rotation like JS7 compound, Death valley and some of the local series stuff... I'd go in there just for the variety

This...this X100000

A simpler solution would be to just set the GP tracks on 1-race rotations, which would make the percentage of time that the server is hosting GP tracks diminish while still having them in the rotation for those who enjoy.

In all honesty, why people don't ride the gp's as much feels like "USA, USA, USA, USA, USA"... That some people doesn't care about the gp's, just because "USA, USA, USA".

"USA, USA, USA..." C'mon bro! You're better than that lol I hardly think that is the case, especially considering we're talking about replica tracks in a video game. Agree to disagree, perhaps Always interesting to get little nuggets of how the rest of the world can see us from time to time

But as well, the gp's are 2 years old now.

This is the main reason for me. I've ridden those tracks so many times by now it's just a bit dull, but that's just me!

[Wahlamt]

"USA, USA, USA..." C'mon bro! You're better than that lol I hardly think that is the case, especially considering we're talking about replica tracks in a video game. Agree to disagree, perhaps Always interesting to get little nuggets of how the rest of the world can see us from time to time.

This wasn't meant to be pointed at USA in particular, I meant pretty much the whole world. At least many of my friends and people I know has during the latest years changed from following MXGP to only follow AMA SX/MX (partial due to covering of the mxgp has decreased, does not air as it used to in Sweden at least). So that people has in general a bigger interest in the US national tracks over the GP tracks, that was my point!

But as well, the gp's are 2 years old now.

This is the main reason for me. I've ridden those tracks so many times by now it's just a bit dull, but that's just me!

Feel ya on that point!

[Tom cortvriendt]

In my opinion, and I have suggested this before, there should be a mix between the GP's, AMA, french, belgium, italian and some fun custom tracks.

my list should be:

AMA:
* Glen Helen (2015)
* Muddy creek (2015)
* Budds creek (2015)
* Red bud (2015)
* Millville (2015)
* Washougal (2015)
* Southwick (2014)

GP:
* Sevlievo
* Agueda
* Uddevalla
* Lommel
* Kegums

France:
* Brou
* Valence
* Castelnau

Italian
* Asti
* Maggiora
* Ciglione

Belgium
*Mt saint gubert
*Balen
* Durler
* Nismes

Custom tracks:
* Sorento hills
* Race factory compound
* Pirulo mx (and reversed)
* Motohills (best track ever imo)
* Mission Valley (and DOS)
* Lofton bluff raceway
* IDKelsinore V2 (not sure who made it but it's awesome )
* Hurricane hills 2015
* Fiasco hills
* Dreamland
* Black mesa
* Blackstrip
* Altitude mx
* 2014 Dirt bike track
* 2013 Liddzor compound (this one is by far one of the most fun tracks ever made IMO)

There will be probably 100+ more awesome tracks. I picked these out of my mind and I ride these tracks one private servers most of the time with my friends. In my opinion the 01 should be filled with tracks who are raceable, not the most realistic ones. Way too many tracks are more a survival instead of racing tracks.

If you put these tracks in 01, 5 laps each, 1 race and you go to the next track, then the 01 would be brilliant