2013 MotoOption SX Series presented by FLY Racing

[TH_722]

opinions are not welcomed.

[Phathry25]

Sorry I fail to see the humor in Mikey's post. At least I didn't defend myself for flaming someone for being petty by describing how they were being petty.

Is a one race suspension fair for a heat race incident that had no bearing on transfer positions? Probably not, what are the other options though? Of the options listed I haven't seen any that fit the bill.

[Brina927]

Now that I got to watch the demo oof, sorry Juan for taking off infront of you. I wanted out of that corner as fast as possible to avoid getting hit by someone else, didn't even know I got someone until now. Bad decision on my part, and Shack somehow got the shit end of that one! Thanks for not protesting me

[MXJProductions]

At least I didn't defend myself for flaming someone for being petty by describing how they were being petty.

No clue how I was being petty but ok, anyways to answer your other question. I feel like a points deduction is more suitable. I do see the POV of rF of making it sever enough for people to get the point, just wish there was other ways.

[Phathry25]

Petty - Of little importance; trivial.

Worst part about this is that the guy who is trying to be proactive and make the racing cleaner is the guy who gets flamed for being petty and labeled as dirty.

I agree, but my disagreement comes from him protesting every single instance.

Being petty would be protesting every single instance, as you suggested I did. (Watch the demo, I didn't.) Therefor you agree that I shouldn't be flamed for being petty, but that is also the source of your disagreement. Thus why I would assume you don't know the definition of petty.

Hope that clears things up.

[jlv]

1:00 - Jump into back of Juan - Yeah, I know this happened fast, but how do you not see the guy cutting straight over on you? Your method of entering the track here was interesting, but nobody was coming so whatever.

I was watching from Shack's view when this happened. I was thinking "DON'T DO IT SHACK!" as he gassed it right into him. Definitely one of those times you can lose either 1 second or 15 seconds and he chose 15.

7:36 - Enter the track through a bale into Mark's line. He goes down. 1) Map awareness as stated above 2) DO NOT TRY TO ENTER THE TRACK THROUGH A BALE. TAKE A SECOND TO ALIGN YOURSELF PROPERLY, THEN ENTER THE TRACK SAFELY.

Considering I have never liked Phat, take this for what's it's worth. While it might not have been a 100% clean reentry, Shack did at least keep it all the way to the left. Phat might have had the right of way to hit the berm but that doesn't mean it was the smart thing to do. If you see someone goofing around on the left, get to the right. Lose half a second instead of 10 seconds. Not all that complicated.

If it were me, I'd have got to the right, went inside of Shack, rolled into the next section, forgot how fast to go after rolling in, and flipped all by myself...

I'm not arguing about the suspension BTW. It sucks that it took out a contender but rules are rules.

[Hi Im Skyqe]

Sorry I fail to see the humor in Mikey's post. At least I didn't defend myself for flaming someone for being petty by describing how they were being petty.

Is a one race suspension fair for a heat race incident that had no bearing on transfer positions? Probably not, what are the other options though? Of the options listed I haven't seen any that fit the bill.

Have one warning then if it happens again have a 1 race suspension? For the record Mark, I appreciate what your doing by protesting people as the end result (Better racing) should be worth it. Only issue I had was just the way you handled things when I tried to confront you on it.

[ShackAttack12]

1:00 - Jump into back of Juan - Yeah, I know this happened fast, but how do you not see the guy cutting straight over on you? Your method of entering the track here was interesting, but nobody was coming so whatever. From my 1st person perspective, I expected juan to triple in but he didnt, which was fine, but then i expected him to tripe onto the table,but he didnt, and thus i was going to fast and hit him. My reentry on to the track was a result of me looking back and seeing the huge gap behind us. The bale + wheeling from a stop kind of got me weird and made me go a bit sideways.
1:18 - Jump on Juan's head again. See above. A bit silly of me, but again i expect juan to jump that and he didnt. I mean, on a 450 you can double that starting a bike length away from the face of it.
1:38 - Weird bobble causes some frustration in the whoops. Didn't make anyone go down, but elimintating these descisions would help you tremendously. I found this one funny. You actually think i decided to do that? I came around the corner after the finish, got on the gas, and the front end came off the ground while i was turning. This caused me to lean the other way and my rider just veered off to the right. At that point i was just trying to get back on the track somehow. Between the collision on the bales and the difficulty in getting through these whoops slow, that explains the goonfest through them.
1:46 - Run into Brina, nothing you could do there. agreed, next
2:24 - Jump on Brina after she cut you off. Not much you could do there. I suppose you didnt bother to watch 2:05-2:20 where i gave Brina all the room in the world and was the nicest rider i could possibly be in the situation. At 2:20 (in first person) she appears practically underneath me in the whoops and then cases the triple, where i ran in to her. Nothing i can do about that
3:04 - Jumped on by Brina, not much you could do there. Not much really she could do either. After the whoops she slowed up to go inside, allowing tcrain room on the outside. I hit the berm faster then both of them and split the gap, she landed on me.
3:13 - Run into Juan when getting up from the crash. Not much you can do. But stop trying to get going before you are all the way up! Procede to hold it pinned and try to push Juan out of the way? I'm sure that is just rage sinking in, but come on! If you back up and get going, you save an 8 second fall off crash. I didn't start going until i was pretty much upright and facing the end of the berm. I had no idea Juan was coming down the inside until i was already on the gas to get going, and by that point he hit brina and crashed in front of me, where i went in to him. I think I was just in disbelief about what just happened and forgot to let go of the gas.
3:24 - After said fall off crash, you run into Markham while he is lapping you while you are getting up. Map/track awareness is necessary. You're lucky he didn't crash. First person view, had no idea markham was going on the outside. I suppose from now on I'll sit there in the middle of the track and let everyone go by.
4:30 - Mark runs into you when you back off for a leader to go by. Not your fault. Knowing mark, this is probably where he began his frustration with me. I was playing NICE RIDER giving the leader plenty of room, mark takes the berm normal and runs into the back of me and falls down.
7:30 - Come up short, sick save, go off track.
7:36 - Enter the track through a bale into Mark's line. He goes down. 1) Map awareness as stated above 2) DO NOT TRY TO ENTER THE TRACK THROUGH A BALE. TAKE A SECOND TO ALIGN YOURSELF PROPERLY, THEN ENTER THE TRACK SAFELY. Well, that was pretty shitty. I was aiming for the opening in the bales but rewatch it and you'll notice that i hit the bumps on the outside of the track and it kinda messed me up. You'll also notice that I didn't come barreling back on to the track wide open, but rather was putt putting along. Hitting the bale is what really caused the problem as it threw me kind of sideways and held me up, then phat hit me. I can see the frustration there, but I will say a very similar event happened to me and I didn't protest it because it wasn't intentional.
7:59 - Mark takes you out after the finish. He was frstrated with your actions. SO wait a second, PHATHRY ISN'T GETTING BANNED FOR THIS? So, frustration is a valid excuse to put someone over a berm and off the track? I'll make sure I use that one next time my race gets screwed up.

I guess that's a wrap for me. I was starting to get back in to the groove again finally. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

[barrington314]

I guess that's a wrap for me. I was starting to get back in to the groove again finally. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

How many times have you said you quit now?

[KTM57]

You probably shouldn't blame the 1st person view for not knowing where someone is. There's a minimap.

[MXJProductions]

Hope that clears things up.

Or you could have just went on to discuss my suggestion with the penalties instead of lingering on this " petty " discussion.

Only issue I had was just the way you handled things when I tried to confront you on it.

I like the warning Idea, would maybe be less cut throat.

7:59 - Mark takes you out after the finish. He was frstrated with your actions. SO wait a second, PHATHRY ISN'T GETTING BANNED FOR THIS? So, frustration is a valid excuse to put someone over a berm and off the track? I'll make sure I use that one next time my race gets screwed up.

LOL

You probably shouldn't blame the 1st person view for not knowing where someone is. There's a minimap.

Than what was your excuse in 3rd person?

[DJD]

Its hard to see people coming on the track map at times, I play on a 42" display and sometimes the dots blend into the map.

I agree penalties need to be much more severe to clean up the races, but seems like the incident with shack was a bit trivial.

I guess Rage Factory is trying to make an example of him to scare people into riding smarter.

I could have protested three or four people the first couple rounds, but honestly, I couldn't give a single shit.

I'm so far past caring about this game or my results. If phats quits, Im definatly never racing again, I cant be the last goon left.

[Brina927]

I don't blame him, I would be pretty bummed over something like that. When you're racing everything happens so fast it can be tough to make perfect decisions all the time. If I were Phat it wouldn't have been something I would have protested about but if he and Shack were already on bad terms it makes sense, and it was a rule broken so he had right to. Unfortunately a harsh suspension seems like the only way to penalize people fairly. And about the first person view being an excuse, maybe not a great excuse for coming back on track but in many instances on the track it's an extreme disadvantage to knowing where people are. It's a big reason why I landed on Shack, didn't see him until the last second, but if I used 3rd person I probably would have known to brake beforehand. Would hate to see Shack and Phat not racing, even though I wont be there to see soon

[wheels1758]

SO wait a second, PHATHRY ISN'T GETTING BANNED FOR THIS? So, frustration is a valid excuse to put someone over a berm and off the track? I'll make sure I use that one next time my race gets screwed up.

I'm sure Phathry would accept a race suspension for this action. Did anyone protest him?

It seems in your post that you were trying to justify things I said were not your fault. Interesting.

Considering I have never liked Phat, take this for what's it's worth. While it might not have been a 100% clean reentry, Shack did at least keep it all the way to the left. Phat might have had the right of way to hit the berm but that doesn't mean it was the smart thing to do. If you see someone goofing around on the left, get to the right. Lose half a second instead of 10 seconds. Not all that complicated.

For sure could have been handled better by both parties. But a quick look at the mini map when Shack is off track and you can see there is a rider coming down the left side of the rhythm lane. How do you know that rider is not a leader, or someone battling for a transfer spot?

[Sweendoggy]

lol well sorry, and Yeah JLV I kinda saw it that way too, I just wanted to be double sure to not give Shack special treatment over guys like Juan, Dudu, Nash, Peter, etc.

I think I have a better way to look at protests and assign penalties though, I'll post more details soon or w/e