More Amateur classes

[DBRider251]

Here comes the hate.

I know this game is a huge hit with most motocross riders around the world. BUT with its huge learning curve, and lack of amateur classes, most people throw it away after they can't qualify for a few amateur races. Yes, I know it's the point of the game to get better, but it's a turn off to people who don't have the time to play everyday. It really sucks for the people who are decent at the game, but never get to race because there are so many B class sandbaggers that won't move up to Pro because they are winning Am's. You don't go to your local track and have to pick between 2 classes, I just think there should be more amateur classes to attract more people into racing. Maybe even make the Am races shorter to make room for more races too. Just my thought on ways to bring more people into racing.

I haven't been around as long as some has, but the Am community seems to be dying off. I'd just like to see more Am racing because it is what keeps the game interesting IMO.

[bob117]

so host some.....


not to mention am racing sucks anyway. theres not thaaaaat many people in the game that can run a clean full race.

[Rayvenator]

so host some.....


not to mention am racing sucks anyway. theres not thaaaaat many people in the game that can run a clean full race.

This is a great way to kill any game. Shut out all the new players and keep the old players really pissed off and annoyed. Well done mate.
Not to mentions its an utterly pointless and idiotic comment to a very reasonable and ligit question..

I very much agree with DBRider251 on this but dont really know how to implement it. Need people to host it AND need for not every pro or "amateurthatshouldbepro" to show up.
More classes, shorter races is probably the best way to go at it.

[bob117]

so host some.....


not to mention am racing sucks anyway. theres not thaaaaat many people in the game that can run a clean full race.

This is a great way to kill any game. Shut out all the new players and keep the old players really pissed off and annoyed. Well done mate.
Not to mentions its an utterly pointless and idiotic comment to a very reasonable and ligit question..

I very much agree with DBRider251 on this but dont really know how to implement it. Need people to host it AND need for not every pro or "amateurthatshouldbepro" to show up.
More classes, shorter races is probably the best way to go at it.

lol. you realize all the organized races are ran by 3rd parties and have nothing to do with the actual game, right? adding more am classes means the guys nice enough to host races now have to donate even more of there time. and for the most part Am racers are idiots that just bitch and complain and make the host not want to do it anymore. mostly because Am racing is filled with kids like you, who for some reason think there entitled to everything. if you arent good enough to qualify for the races available, then either host your own, sit quietly and hope someone else hosts some, or go play the servers provided by the actual game. stop expecting everything to be handed to you, and earn it. if you want to race organized, then earn it. dont just cry until theres a Z class that your finally able to compete in.

[DBRider251]

so host some.....

Since my computer is pretty bad, and I can't afford to have someone host it for me, thats out of the question. I honestly would host if I had someone who had a server that made me a moderator so I could run the programs and everything.

not to mention am racing sucks anyway. theres not thaaaaat many people in the game that can run a clean full race.

How many pros run a full clean race? I see crashes in the pros all the time. The ones who wreck in Am's are mainly the C class riders that are stretching and doing everything they can do to keep up with "B" class sandbaggers. That's also exactly why I said make the Am races shorter and have more of their classes.

lol. you realize all the organized races are ran by 3rd parties and have nothing to do with the actual game, right? adding more am classes means the guys nice enough to host races now have to donate even more of there time. and for the most part Am racers are idiots that just bitch and complain and make the host not want to do it anymore. mostly because Am racing is filled with kids like you, who for some reason think there entitled to everything. if you arent good enough to qualify for the races available, then either host your own, sit quietly and hope someone else hosts some, or go play the servers provided by the actual game. stop expecting everything to be handed to you, and earn it. if you want to race organized, then earn it. dont just cry until theres a Z class that your finally able to compete in.

Well its stupid to try to qualify for a race when the fastest Am qualifier is 2-4 seconds off of the Pro's fastest qualifier. It's not that we aren't good enough to make it, we just can't because people won't move up and compete on their level. If you make the Am races shorter, it wouldn't ask for that much more time out of a hosters night. Instead of running a 20 lap 450 and 15 lap 250 main, run 15 lap 450 B class, and 10 lap 450 C class and the same with 250. It helps a lot for people who want to race and get better, but have nowhere to race except random servers. Especially with competition.

[Wahlamt]

I'd make the argument that the top pros IMO have the ability to run 25 minutes with 3 crashes or so. The problem is that every non-pro is amateur, making the amateur class many times bigger. To be equal you'd have to have some sort of a,b,c,d,e class system. I wrote a bit on this subject here:
http://forum.mxsimulator.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=36560&start=30#p680066

[DBRider251]

Honestly, having Pro, B and C classes would be a lot more satisfactory than just Pro and Am. The only thing I would have to disagree on is the consistency aspect. Most Am's who run back of the pack crash more because they can't keep up with the front of the pack, so they are trying harder. I can run a consistent race, but won't be quite as fast because I don't have a pro setup or that much time invested really. I would say I'm decent, but not saying I would dominate C class every time they had a race.

[checkerz]

I agree that having more classes would be good. It is difficult to do for a number of reasons, but I do agree it is important.

Whenever classes are added, that means the following:
- More races to run which equals longer events. IMO, anything over 3 hours is too long and we're already pushing that window. If you shorten races, it helps but it would take some huge cuts to absorb that time frame because setting up teh race and getting it off and letting a race finish takes a long time, just cutting a couple of laps won't absorb this time. This means hosting amateurs on a separate night which again, equals hosts having to give up not just 1 but 2 nights dedicated to running MXS races.

- More classes means more management of who is in the "right" and wrong class. If you don't regulate the sandbaggers, it isn't going to help. This again means more work.

- More classes means more protests, points, results to manage as well.

It adds a lot of additional work.

But again, I agree it is important - the proof is there are more amateur entries than pro entries. If you lock out all the "sort of decent" guys from amateurs, they then have no where to race as they can't qualify for pro, and they are too "good" for amateurs. That kills the game for those who are already dedicated. I'll also point out most of your content creators, whether it be models, skins, tracks, or event hosts fall into that group. I don't think you want them to leave.

I have been pushing and Wheels is on board with figuring out a way for amateur SX again for 2016. I'm pretty sure it'll happen. That'll mean 250 pro east, 250 pro west, 450 pro, and probably 2 amateur classes. When I run events, I generally try to host 3 classes for 3 different skill levels pushing the best players to the "Open pro" the next level of guys to a "Lites pro" and then a third level to a "Am" class. You'll see that similar setup continue as long as I can continue putting together events.

I thinking bringing more localcross races back would help this as they generally had A,B,C classes, but again, it still takes hosts to run them. If you do that, then you have to limit guys to one bike size otherwise you still run against the event getting too long. You don't have time in one night to run 450 A, B, C and 250 A, B, C, so then you get complaints that "I'm only good on a 250 or I'm only good on a 450". So again you look at 2 nights.

So yes, you're right but there are many reasons why it is hard to do all the time.

[DBRider251]

I agree, and with little to no pay coming in, I know its very hard to make time to do this. Not sure how hosting works really, but I'm assuming there could be multiple hosts, and just whoever is available, could run the race. Then the trouble is if no one can be there. I can see the hardships, which is why I wasn't saying "BRING MORE AM RACES."

I loved the Localcross classes, and would honestly love that for Am Sx or Am Nats. Maybe run Lites Pro and Lites B& Lites C, then Open Pro, Open B& Open C. Honestly have no clue how long that would take, I'm not sure how long the LocalX series took to finish when we ran it.

I wish I was more exposed to the community to be able to help. I can't really model or make tracks, so hosting would be something I would be interested in. I'm not sure if I would need a supercomputer, or if my little shitty laptop would run it until I get my build. I may not know a lot about it, but I'm willing to learn, and that seems like something the community is running out of. Everyone wants everything done for them, instead of doing it themselves. Exactly why I started skinning. I got tired of asking someone to do it, and started myself. Really, that's what our generation is anymore. As my CAD teacher said, the microwave generation. "We want it, and we want it now." Pitiful if you ask me.

[Ktmrdr11]

I have always wondered why we had a bunch of qualifying servers, but only one race server, i know that would be some crazy shit to pull off, but if you could even run 450 heats and lcq in one server and 250s in the other one and then one server for the mains or whatever, seems to me that would cut the 3 hours to 1.5-2 hours. Just my 2 cents, I know its far fetched, but if that could be done that makes time for ams.

[DBRider251]

If you could even run 450 heats and lcq in one server and 250s in the other one and then one server for the mains

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