So because Trump says stupid things on Twitter and normal elections before this didn't have significant levels of fraud, we should just trust the affidavits, allegations, and abnormal stats are just smoke? Much like the media claiming there is no evidence BEFORE there is an attempt to get any evidence, I am not seeing the logic. Again, much like the argument that the margin is to big to care, I'm not seeing why no one should be concerned about this regardless of who the candidates are. Putting the candidates into it... if this were the other way around it would be a total different tune.Pumaxcs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:25 pm Its so hard to take this "fraud" claim seriously though when he has been using that excuse for literally every election result since 2012. He builds it up that if he loses, or his side loses it's because of fraud, then he either plays up that his favor overcame all the present fraud and doesn't do anything to fix it or he claims there was fraud as everyone loves him there is no way he could lose fairly and then does nothing about it.
When Romney was running against Obama in 2012, Trump believed the electoral college failed. However, had a much different tune towards them in 2016. Even though he clearly favors the election he still believed he would have won the popular vote then if it wasn't for voter fraud. Then there is also some of the earlier primaries in 2016 when he didn't win some states he blamed the GOP caucus races for being rigged. In around October in the 2016 elections, he made claims that people need to watch out because he was afraid the election may be stolen from them. Now, once again before the election process got underway he was pushing that mail-in voting was purely fraudulent even though for years it hasn't been. Once again, I find it hard to believe that someone who has had this many flip-flops for so long to be a believable person when it comes to certain subjects.
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There are other examples of him casting doubt on his own internal agencies because they made a statement that didn't align with his and those really bother me. As a federal contractor (I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but I work as a contractor to DISA in cyber-security, nothing that global or related to the subject but it is intrusion detection/protection on both an unclass/class network) hearing him call out these agencies for falsehood feels personal and I'm much more likely to believe the head of the private sector than him because I have a closer working with said sector and knowing how they work, the checks put in place to make sure they are run correctly. Even just recently firing the cybersecurity official Krebs, because he made a statement that they did everything right and they minimized fraud is total horseshit.
You don't have to trust him, hell you don't even have to believe him. Shutting down the process before there is even a chance to prove it? That just seems non sensical. At worst, he is lying and this whole thing is going to backfire, and then congrats, you were right to be skeptical the entire time.