2010 yz250f!!

[JETZcorp]

Best looking bike ever

Woah, hold on there Tiger. I have to admit I do like where Yamaha is taking their 250F in terms of styling - you'd think they could give a little of the same to their two-strokes. If they really care so damn much about keeping them alive, they'd at least bring 'em up to date in appearance sometime. Anyway, while it is a very good looking bike by modern standards, I'm afraid it still gets blown away by what they used to make.


Oh yeah, that's how you do it! This bike, the YZ465 actually made some serious waves when they introduced it. It was the first bike that could holeshot a Maico 440 Magnum, and the Germans weren't happy. You might notice that the rider's got the bike on something like 1/4 throttle there.

[2010-yz250f]

lol lookin back at this thread i definitly was a dick and wanted to apologize but i finally got the bike ont oct 7th bean rippin ever since

[DJ99X]

LOL. Sorry Jetz, but I just do not find old bikes attractive

[JB323]

amen to that, old bikes are POS.. thats why were have bikes what they are today because of all the safety and designs that have been fixed from theses old bikes.

evolution is the key to life.

[MxWolf]

Best looking bike ever

Woah, hold on there Tiger. I have to admit I do like where Yamaha is taking their 250F in terms of styling - you'd think they could give a little of the same to their two-strokes. If they really care so damn much about keeping them alive, they'd at least bring 'em up to date in appearance sometime. Anyway, while it is a very good looking bike by modern standards, I'm afraid it still gets blown away by what they used to make.

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Oh yeah, that's how you do it! This bike, the YZ465 actually made some serious waves when they introduced it. It was the first bike that could holeshot a Maico 440 Magnum, and the Germans weren't happy. You might notice that the rider's got the bike on something like 1/4 throttle there.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how a simple peice of metal shaped like a ball,with a five foot tall seat ,and a saggy banana fender look better than our normal bikes...

[JETZcorp]

Well, I fail to see how a plastic toy with a bunch of spikes jutting out at odd angles and a hang-nail for a fender looks better than the old bikes. Back in the day, they didn't sell bikes based on the shape of a piece of plastic over a radiator. They made the parts to do their job, and do it well. The "saggy" fender was wide and provided great coverage against mud. The only bits of show-offiness were the tank decals, and the rest of it was all business. It's like the difference between a 1970 Dodge Challenger and a Countach LP500. They're both equally fast, but one is badass and the other is just puffing its chest.

amen to that, old bikes are POS.. thats why were have bikes what they are today because of all the safety and designs that have been fixed from theses old bikes.

What "safety and designs" are you talking about? Upside-down forks? Those just make the front-end very slightly more stable in a turn, even though a standard 40mm fork does that almost perfectly. Monoshock? Well, that's slightly more stable on the roughest of whoops and scariness, but a good dual-shock like Husky's twin Ohlins were practically flawless, unless you were stupid enough to empty all the oil from just one of them. The only real advancement to safety I can see are the disc brakes, which do truly help when you're riding very hard or in wet conditions. If anything, the new bikes are a lot more dangerous because four-strokes make the rider feel like they're better than they are, and a lot of guys just go way to fast and plow themselves into something a billion miles an hour. This is even worse if your parents are gullible enough to buy you an ATV.

Honestly, I think that every rider should begin their riding career on a bike that truly doesn't have the capability of a newer one. Let's face it, if your first bike is a 1980 Husky 250 and you go out riding roads and trails, you'll get used to the idea that if you hit something, the suspension will just take it up. And believe me, it will. However, if your first bike is a 1975 Husky 250 - a bike that actually is quite a bit more dangerous than what we have now, you're going to learn to ride with a constant fear of God. You'll know that if you hit a hole at 40mph, it's going to be over. This is the kind of bike I learned on with my 120. You just didn't want to hit shit on that bike. Then, when you get your 1980s Husky or your 2010 YZF, you're going to be in the habit of missing everything. You won't be caught off-guard as much, and when you do finally come to something that makes you think, "Oh my God, this is the end!" you'll brace yourself for the worst and take it like it wasn't there. If you grew up on a perfect bike, though, you might not even notice it, not brace yourself, then bounce sideways and get ground up like cheese in a grater.

[v3Nx]

That is maybe the longest post i have ever seen . By The Way, I love classic bikes I mean those old bikes are what made bikes today. Which to me, is special .

[Voutare]

If anything, the new bikes are a lot more dangerous because four-strokes make the rider feel like they're better than they are,

Also called progression. If something can raise my ability, it'll sell and be used. And the riders don't feel better because the bike, the bike makes them be able to ride better.


Put it this way: I can go a lot faster on my 125 on the track, than my dads Enduro 200 thingy.

[JETZcorp]

I'm not doubting that more confidence is a good thing for a rider who knows what they're doing. But, when someone goes out and buys a bike for the first time and it makes them feel like Superman, they're just that much more likely to think they can fly. Confidence is a great thing when you have the skill, but it's when you don't have skill that it becomes dangerous. That's why I think four-strokes aren't as safe for beginners. Even if they're not faster in the hands of a professional, they're damn well faster in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're getting themselves into. When MXA compared a CRF450 to a CR500, they said that the CRF is faster in most cases but gets wiped away by someone with enough skill to pull the trigger on the CR. Thing is, the CR tells you whether or not you're good enough to pull that trigger. You get on it, start to squeeze, it scares you, and you progressively work your way up in skill.

And again, like I said, this isn't just a matter of two-stroke vs four-stroke. Long-travel suspension works the same way, in that if you don't know your ass from your elbow, that 12" between the tire and fender will do a lot of the work for you, and make you feel like it'll do all the work for you. Then, when something really hairy comes along, it does its 12" and the 14th inch throws you to your death. A guy my dad knew had that happen when he learned how to ride on bikes with excellent suspension, then one day went too far and got very badly injured. If he had started with 4" then graduated up to the more confidence-inspiring 12-incher, he probably would have been a better rider for it, and avoided the hospital. There is a parallel for this in the automotive world. When big new safety features such as air-bags or even seat-belts first came, they increased the likelihood of surviving a crash, but then crashes actually went up as people felt more invincible.

I fear this is getting way off-topic, but I still stand by what I say. Anything that will make a beginner feel like a pro is not safe. And, if I'm honest, it's not as fun for the pro, even if he is going faster. I love my Husky and it's very fun, but the 120 with its shitty-ass 2" of suspension is more fun to push the limits on.

[mx985]

I'm not doubting that more confidence is a good thing for a rider who knows what they're doing. But, when someone goes out and buys a bike for the first time and it makes them feel like Superman, they're just that much more likely to think they can fly. Confidence is a great thing when you have the skill, but it's when you don't have skill that it becomes dangerous. That's why I think four-strokes aren't as safe for beginners. Even if they're not faster in the hands of a professional, they're damn well faster in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're getting themselves into. When MXA compared a CRF450 to a CR500, they said that the CRF is faster in most cases but gets wiped away by someone with enough skill to pull the trigger on the CR. Thing is, the CR tells you whether or not you're good enough to pull that trigger. You get on it, start to squeeze, it scares you, and you progressively work your way up in skill.

And again, like I said, this isn't just a matter of two-stroke vs four-stroke. Long-travel suspension works the same way, in that if you don't know your ass from your elbow, that 12" between the tire and fender will do a lot of the work for you, and make you feel like it'll do all the work for you. Then, when something really hairy comes along, it does its 12" and the 14th inch throws you to your death. A guy my dad knew had that happen when he learned how to ride on bikes with excellent suspension, then one day went too far and got very badly injured. If he had started with 4" then graduated up to the more confidence-inspiring 12-incher, he probably would have been a better rider for it, and avoided the hospital. There is a parallel for this in the automotive world. When big new safety features such as air-bags or even seat-belts first came, they increased the likelihood of surviving a crash, but then crashes actually went up as people felt more invincible.

I fear this is getting way off-topic, but I still stand by what I say. Anything that will make a beginner feel like a pro is not safe. And, if I'm honest, it's not as fun for the pro, even if he is going faster. I love my Husky and it's very fun, but the 120 with its shitty-ass 2" of suspension is more fun to push the limits on.

i agree hole heartidly man! livin in socal u see so many people that roll up, with these brand spankin new bikes all shiny and stuff. and they are a major goon who has noooo idea what they are doing (u can tell who has some expeireince and who doesnt) they cross into your lines they jump to the left or right over jumps its some dangerous stuff. now don't get me wrong everyone has to learn but learn the right way! start out on a less powerful bike one u can handle, dont put your self and others in danger im done.

[JETZcorp]

Exactly. And I have nothing against starting out on a powerful bike, but it's got to be the kind of power you can manage. I've got a friend who wants to get into riding and is really into old Huskies, and he's going to get himself a 250 two-stroke for a starter. At first I was thinking that might be a little on the dangerous side (I was thinking this in winter with my bike in the garage) but then when I got on my own 250 Husky I realized, it's a great motor to start on. Reason being, like all 250 two-strokes, the power is bloody anemic down in the lower RPM range, but it's still got enough torque to get where you need to go without doing some fancy work with the clutch and shifting like mad. I really wasn't too impressed with my Husky after coming off the 120, which has torque like a Hemi. I liked the suspension, six-speed transmission, looks, and left-side kickstarter, and that was about it. The reason was, I wasn't all that good at riding at the time, and I never really took it into the powerband. Now that I've progressed a bit, I can really appreciate what the thing does, and I'm quite sure that as a beginner, my friend won't have to deal with the craziness.

He's not going to do motocross, by the way, so things go a little different. I'm sure that in MX, where there is more emphasis on keeping the power going, a 250 may well pose a threat to a newbie's life, but it's not so bad on a dirt road.

Next step for me is to find myself an open-classer. I've experienced the power of a 390 and it was like touching the face of God - and the 390 was said to be pipey compared to a 440 Magnum.

[cpt_Slow]

I don't know how anyone can ride the classics. I went to watch the classic MXDN (a bargain and a must see in my opinion.) The old boys were hauling and the track looked a real blast to ride (Devon in 2006 I think). But the bikes were stunningly polished and lovingly restored pieces of history. Then they were ripped around a muddy field and sent scraping down the track. Plastics rad scoops and mudguards simply bend back..or if the don't they are cheap to replace. A specially painted and polished fuel tank made from steel is gonna come off worse when it hits the ground I think. I would probably cry if it was mine.

[JETZcorp]

That's the one thing I don't like about my little 120 - it's not a bike you can afford to fall down on. If you tear the seat, you're just SOL because you're not going to find another cover for that bad boy. Dent in the expansion chamber? Sorry, that's a custom part. Fenders? Bend them once, they're bent for life. Every piece on the bike is just not replaceable. It's still got the original 1967 piston and I don't know WHAT we'd do if it needed another one.

But, when it comes to an evo bike like the '82 Husky, you can pretty much get whatever you need from VintageHusky.com or Husky Club. Getting parts for a Maico used to be like getting parts for a Porsche 917. That is, very hard and very expensive. But now that we have the internet to work with, you can get tons and tons of stuff on the cheap from Vintage Iron or Maico Brothers, or you can even order it from the factory in Germany. I hear they started making parts for Magnum and Mega series bikes (1978-1981) and now Maico parts are easier to find and cheaper than for any other vintage bike, including Honda! Anyway, the moral of the story is, depending on what brand you're riding if it's in widespread use in VMX, you can often get parts for it fairly easily. The only real exception is KTM, which is impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG3M4cwVM58