6d helmets.

[bdownen323]

I've been running my Alpinestars neck brace for 2 seasons now and I like it a lot better than a Leatt. I don't see myself taking the neck brace off because it feels like a safety blanket to me. I have been lucky to not have any major crashes wearing a neck brace (knock on wood), but I still wear the brace because I don't really notice the lack of movement (especially with the Alpinestars brace, it's way better than the Leatt for movement IMO) and it's always good to have more safety equipment. Just my .02

[Hi Im Skyqe]

I was only trying to approach this with the level of accuracy as you have.

[Phathry25]

Reading your sig quote of del and seeing your affliction for analogies I can't help but correct dels analogy to suit the standard you have set for telling people not to wear neck braces.

It should read something more like this.

I overheard Austin Stroupe tell someone that an optimologist told him that goggles have a 2.5% change of protecting his eyes if a piece of dirt hits them. So I don't think you should wear goggles anymore because they're more likely to damage you're eyes.

Now tell me how ridiculous that sound while defending your advice about neck braces. I know you will somehow manage to pull it off. You're a more confident person than me.

[MiNi]

Once again all your supposed stats and facts are nothing but hearsay. At this point Leatt would have a hell of a slander case against you.

Being a mindless fuck is a far cry from not being well educated on head and neck injuries. You're the one getting all defensive about this shit.

The funny thing is that you openly admitted to accepting hearsay from a doctor. A doctor could feed you the biggest bullshit ever, you would believe it and then he could say to you "dude I'm just messing with you". While you can easily say the same for my side, I th I think this argument with you is more about which type of hearsay you think is legitimate and illegitimate. You're assuming that because they're uneducated they don't know anything. Even though they spend countless hours around people with experience in these types of fields, oh wait, they're not doctors, they don't know anything!

Of course I'm going to get a little bit defensive, I got asked for my reasoning, I then gave it. I now have the luxury of dealing with people that want to play devil's advocate. By the way, what I'm saying isn't slander, because all I'm saying is that the leatt isn't proven, which it isn't, in fact.

LOL. I'm not suggesting that such a thing would happen. My point is that he is making me out to be the one that's out of my mind on the war path here, when it's actually the opposite. All I've said is that I would prefer a medical professionals opinion over hearsay from a professional motocross racer.

When the fuck did I ever say in this topic: "stop wearing neck braces, you're an idiot if you wear one!" lol shut up. I never said you're delusional, I never said you're an idiot, I never made fun of you directly in this topic and I even said you're not an idiot for wearing one. I even mentioned that it comes down to preference at some point. I'm not trying to say this to offend anybody, I put it out there for an educational purpose. Like I said, this has come down to an argument about which hearsay you feel is legitimate and illegitimate. I'm not an idiot or anybody else for that matter that has taken this advice. Also, like I said, if only a couple of top pro riders took their's off, then this whole argument would be silly and there would be no need for it. But that's not the circumstance at hand here. Call me "out of my mind on the war path" if you want, but it doesn't change anything.

[Phathry25]

A doctors professional opinion of a safety device isn't hearsay though. It's a professional opinion.

I don't think you understand what hearsay is. Del defined it for you earlier....

In fact you stated the leatt is proven to be effective in 1% of crashes. That's a "fact" you have had trouble backing up. Even that 1% figure leaves a lot to be desired. What is the context? In 1% of motocross related neck injuries the leatt would be effective, or in 1% of all motocross crashes. I will gladly take the latter, I would guess I land on my head in about 2% of my crashes...

I don't wear a neck brace. I also don't decide which safety gear to wear based on what pro riders do. If grant Langston jumped off a bridge....

[MiNi]

Reading your sig quote of del and seeing your affliction for analogies I can't help but correct dels analogy to suit the standard you have set for telling people not to wear neck braces.

lol just stop talking. I haven't and still haven't told you or implied anybody to take their's off. You're the one who's taking the shit left field. I put the quote in my sig to laugh with him, not at him lol. The quote actually gave me a good laugh. Kudos to Del for having a charming sense of humor.

Motocross neck braces in general haven't been around long enough to be proven. They just came out all of a sudden and people bought into the idea that the were safe. Also, I guarantee you that riders didn't have to hear this through just riders and maybe they heard it from actual doctors, testers, tech experts, etc.

[Phathry25]

How can you say it isn't implied? You said it's more dangerous to wear one.

consider the other injuries a neck brace can cause; broken collarbones, chest injuries, shoulder injuries and even back injuries.... ....it would be more dangerous to wear one

[MiNi]

A doctors professional opinion of a safety device isn't hearsay though. It's a professional opinion.

I don't think you understand what hearsay is. Del defined it for you earlier....

In fact you stated the leatt is proven to be effective in 1% of crashes. That's a "fact" you have had trouble backing up. Even that 1% figure leaves a lot to be desired. What is the context? In 1% of motocross related neck injuries the leatt would be effective, or in 1% of all motocross crashes. I will gladly take the latter, I would guess I land on my head in about 2% of my crashes...

I don't wear a neck brace. I also don't decide which safety gear to wear based on what pro riders do. If grant Langston jumped off a bridge....

A professional opinion can still be hearsay (to an extent). I don't even know what was wrong with accepting what I was told, knowing who and why Langston told me this. You're acting like I'm taking advice from some hick bloke that has only been riding for a few months. lol just stop.

hear·say
ˈhi(ə)rˌsā/Submit
noun
1.
"information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor."

Equipment is only proven if the equipment has a substantial chance of being effective. I said it before and I will gladly say it again: 1% is not substantial, or anywhere near substantial for that matter and you're a fool if you think it is. I also said that the 1% is obviously only effective against neck injuries, which is what neck braces are kind of made for. That is like saying that I broke my wrist but my helmet should have stopped it because its a helmet and helmets should save you from anyevybejnvfdmugaehjkfmfdm...

So you're saying that I chose to not wear one because I want to be "cool" and "look sick"? Assumptions, typical. Why don't you talk to some of my friends and ask them why they took theirs off? Oh wait, its probably because they wanted to be "cool".

[MiNi]

How can you say it isn't implied? You said it's more dangerous to wear one.

I feel that way for me personally. I'm not trying nor will I ever try to imply you to take off a neck brace. Like I said (said for the umpteenth time already, just re-read my posts ffs), everything I said is for an educational purpose. You can choose if you want to listen to me or not. Hell, you're a confident person, make the decision for yourself. I have faith in you.

[Phathry25]

Wow speaking of assumptions. Where did you even get the impression I was talking about you not wearing a neck brace? Was it the part where I said I don't wear a neck brace? Seriously lost me here.

Riddle me this. Chest protectors, kidney belts, wrist braces. They are all proven safety equipment. Very few
Pros wear them. Why? Your assumption is that they don't wear neck braces because they don't provide any added safety, why not all these other proven safety items?

[MiNi]

Wow speaking of assumptions. Where did you even get the impression I was talking about you not wearing a neck brace? Was it the part where I said I don't wear a neck brace? Seriously lost me here.

Right here guy:

I also don't decide which safety gear to wear based on what pro riders do.

Riddle me this. Chest protectors, kidney belts, wrist braces. They are all proven safety equipment. Very few
Pros wear them. Why? Your assumption is that they don't wear neck braces because they don't provide any added safety, why not all these other proven safety items?

Chest protectors, roost guards, kidney belts, body armor, wrist braces, hell even hand guards are all proven, yes. But while they're proven, they're not always beneficial, or just not needed at the time. Some of it just comes down to preference.

Many pros use roost guards; they're light, don't restrict movement and are effective against roost. Personally, I don't see a reason to not wear at least a roost guard.

Many pros uses chest protectors on occasion; they're heavy (compared to roost guards and they add extra overall weight), might restrict a little bit of movement (depends on the chest protector that you buy), very effective against heavy roost and possibly effective in hard deck hits. Many pro riders don't always use chest protectors because they aren't always needed. Pro riders will also bust them out on deep, thick, somewhat mud tracks, because they're extremely useful and beneficial. I too feel the same way about this and worship this formula.

Many pros wear wrist braces; they're light and they barely restrict movement. A wrist brace will not guarantee preventing a broken wrist, but it increases the prevention of a broken wrist or other wrist injuries. This item is solely based on personal preference. I might actually start using a wrist brace for my right wrist I broke back in May.

Not many pros wear body armor; they're heavy, bulky, restrict a little movement, very effective against roost and hard deck hits. This item is also solely based on personal preference. I prefer no body armor because it restricts too much movement for me.

Many pros wear kidney belts; they're light, tight, don't restrict movement and keep your bladder from having issues when you're older. They might create a little bit more heat in the summer time. Like roost guards, I personally don't see a reason to not have one. I may not have one myself, but I wouldn't mind wearing one for the hell of it. I had one back when I raced 65s, it must have gotten lost in one of my old gearbags and I've been too busy to care to get another one.

Many pros use hand guards on occasion; they're light, don't restrict movement, very effective against roost and rocks. Similar to the chest protector.

[MiNi]

Part of the issue also is that with those items being personal preference ones is that they're not mandatory. Usually the items that riders leave out are the items that they could care less for. Not to say they are in any way wrong for it, because that's how personal preference works.

[Phathry25]

Lol. I can't even fathom how you went from what I wrote to thinking I was implying you think you're too cool for a beck brace.

This is going to keep me up at night for weeks.

[MiNi]

Lol. I can't even fathom how you went from what I wrote to thinking I was implying you think you're too cool for a beck brace.

This is going to keep me up at night for weeks.

Then what exactly were you implying? Sounds like you're just trying to be a smartass.

LOL I was literally thinking the exact same thing haha

[Phathry25]

I said simply I don't make decisions based on what a pro rider does or says. If I were implying anything it's that you seem to be hanging off of their every word.

Also. Thanks for the elementary explanation of the safety gear. I'm new to motocross you know.