scheeve3 wrote:That's what they said in Europe aswell after they hired Everts for 2007... Even a 10 time champ can't turn the tables. In 2008 they were still sceptic about the project because Rattray was "highly talented" they said. In 2009 ktm made themselfs very unpopular taking Musquin away from NGS Honda (shows how unprofessional other brands are), but from 2010 on it's all orange.
Now put that on the US timeline:
They hired Decoster in 2011, everybody said "Even the man can't make those bikes fast". In 2012 Dungey got the outdoor title "because of the injuries". In 2013 Roczen got the West title because he is super talented. And in 2014 they claimed a title with a rider nobody even wanted in his team anymore ... making a statement I guess... And don't tell me it's not an KTM victory because it wasn't on a factory bike. KTM has an inner Hierarchy with satelite teams they $upport well enough.
So slowley but steady they're making their way up. And from the moment Villopoto hang up his boots it will be all orange.
Btw doesn't matter how the money flows, it are the amount of points at the end of the season that counts.
@Fred
Their steel frame + low bonusses kills it supercross wise. If you're not ktm supported it's bassicly a useless bike on a supercross track on this level, compared to the other bikes. MX wise the bike doesn't need a lot of tuning anymore to be quick plus easy to ride.
It suprises me that not even 1 brand yet has decided to make two seperate bikes for these disciplines. After all SX is a whole different game compared with MX, but still they ride adjusted mx bikes :s.
Do you actually believe that it would be feasible to have a bike designed specifically for SX even though there is no market for it at a retail level?
Do F1 cars have a market?
On the other hand, I just realized the AMA rules aren't exactly the same as the FIM rules. It's not like in the GP's that you can use prototypes. But it can't be there's no loophole in that rule .
Frederik Van Eeckhoven - UID 326 1st Team @ MXSON 2009 & 2nd individual (125cc)
2012 DRT-Sandseries winner (MX1)
2012 DRT-spring SX series winner (OPEN)
2012 BMF-Friday night series winner (MX1)
scheeve3 wrote:That's what they said in Europe aswell after they hired Everts for 2007... Even a 10 time champ can't turn the tables. In 2008 they were still sceptic about the project because Rattray was "highly talented" they said. In 2009 ktm made themselfs very unpopular taking Musquin away from NGS Honda (shows how unprofessional other brands are), but from 2010 on it's all orange.
Now put that on the US timeline:
They hired Decoster in 2011, everybody said "Even the man can't make those bikes fast". In 2012 Dungey got the outdoor title "because of the injuries". In 2013 Roczen got the West title because he is super talented. And in 2014 they claimed a title with a rider nobody even wanted in his team anymore ... making a statement I guess... And don't tell me it's not an KTM victory because it wasn't on a factory bike. KTM has an inner Hierarchy with satelite teams they $upport well enough.
So slowley but steady they're making their way up. And from the moment Villopoto hang up his boots it will be all orange.
Btw doesn't matter how the money flows, it are the amount of points at the end of the season that counts.
@Fred
Their steel frame + low bonusses kills it supercross wise. If you're not ktm supported it's bassicly a useless bike on a supercross track on this level, compared to the other bikes. MX wise the bike doesn't need a lot of tuning anymore to be quick plus easy to ride.
It suprises me that not even 1 brand yet has decided to make two seperate bikes for these disciplines. After all SX is a whole different game compared with MX, but still they ride adjusted mx bikes :s.
Do you actually believe that it would be feasible to have a bike designed specifically for SX even though there is no market for it at a retail level?
Do F1 cars have a market?
On the other hand, I just realized the AMA rules aren't exactly the same as the FIM rules. It's not like in the GP's that you can use prototypes. But it can't be there's no loophole in that rule .
You cannot compare F1 to Motocross or Supercross. The fact is each bike being run by manufactures needs to be approved by the AMA's homologation rule, there needs to be at minimum 400 bikes produced and available for retail sale to consumers in the USA for the bike to be raced. That is the bare minimum required for the bike to be raced, let alone the manufacture being able to recoup R&D and production costs.
Really how much are you changing between MX and SX? Maybe some brake components, gearing, oil coolers, engine mods, tires, suspension, ECU, plastics... All of that can be done aftermarket anyway, I don't see enough changes to require a SX specific bike over modded MX...
TeamHavocRacing wrote:If I had a nickel for every time someone asked for this, I would have a whole shitload of nickels.
I heard that factory race teams get to hand-pick the production bikes they mod. Looking for the better welds 'n such. Not the ones made on friday afternoon. Didn't a werks bike used to mean "run what ya brung within cc limit"?
jlv wrote:If it weren't for Havoc I'd have been arguing with the 12 year olds by myself.
They use lower subframes too. There is however a rule to changing the frame itself by polishing or grinding. Apparently Tomac has been using a couple of different swingarms (older,newer and factory)
Someone posted pictures comparing them.
I don't know why people dislike him so much. He's my favorite rider, extremely talented and mysterious, extremely smooth and quiet. It's an odd mix, but Pourcel, Roczen, and Seely are the two riders I root on the most.
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